ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS

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Hi everyone
im sure some of the members on this site have always wanted a full list of the survivors at isandlwana
Im sure with the combined knowledge of the members on this forum we can come up with a list of those survivors!

feel free to add any names to the list that you know!

im sure we can do it!

ill start ...

LT Henry Curling R.A

anyone please add names to that list !

thanks joe

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Good idea Joe.

Horace Smith-dorrien.
Captain Essex
JA Brickhill
Captain Alan Gardner
Adendorff ??

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Lieutenant William Francis Dundonald Cochrane
R.J. "Bob" Hall, the meat contractor of the Natal Mounted Police
726 Cpl Edgar EVANS 2/3rd a Mounted Infantryman

Subject: isandlwana survivors Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:17 am

hi all.
I have no idea how to scan on a computer , if anyone has " The Noble 24th " There is a list on page 379.
It isnt complete but it is a good start. Also in " Englands Sons by J. Whybra , Gives more names of survivors
that arent listed in Noble 24th.
cheers 90th.

Subject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:00 am

Isn't there a list in one of Mike Snook' books ?

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Lt Alfred Henderson NNH

thanks joe

Subject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:58 pm

Bombardier Gough.
Grant (RB)
Trainer (RB)
Conductor Foley
Private. Home. NMR
Trooper. Burne. NMR
Trooper. Moodie. NMR
Trooper. Walsh. NMR
Trooper. Brown. NMR
Trooper. Berning NMR
Trooper. Parson NMR
Trooper. Lennox BBG
Trooper. Adams BBG
Trooper. Stretch BBG
Trooper. Adams 2 BBG
Quartermaster. McPhail BBG
Lieutenant Higginson 3rd NNC
Captain Nourse NNC 1st
Captain Stafford NNC 1st
Captain Smythe NNC 1st
Lieutenant. Erskine NNC 1st
Trooper Sparks NMP
Trooper Hayes NMP
Trooper Collier NMP
Trooper Eaton. NMP
Trooper Kincade. NMP
Trooper Shannon NMP
Trooper Doig NMP
Trooper Dorehill NMP
Trooper Muirhead N.C
Trooper Fletcher N.C
Trooper Edwards NC
Trooper Baker NC
Trooper Grainger NC
Private. Wassall 80th
Private. Westwood 80th
Private. Davis 1/24th
Private. Parry 1/24th
Private. Power 1/24th
Private. Edwards’s 2/3rd
Corporal McCan 2.3rd
Patrick Naughton Attached to no 1 Mounted Squadron
Edward Evans Attached to no 1 Mounted Squadron
Gascoigne. Attached to no 1 Mounted Squadron.

Source: Noble 24th

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Lieutenant. Raw.
Captain. Barton.
Sgt Costellow (RA)
G . Eary
H. Wehr
B. Gutridge.

Subject: isandlwana survivors Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:30 am

hi joe.
This will give you what you want and more . Idea

http://www.rrw.org.uk/shop/shop.php?action=view&prodid=203

cheers 90th.

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hi
well done everyone, I think we came up with a pretty good list

thanks 90th for that link

thanks joe

Posts : 38 Join date : 2010-02-20

This is a great forum, and I'm pleased to name this gentleman:

Trooper Robert J. M. Kincade

We've only recently learned that this is one of our ancestor's, and he survived the Battle at Isandlwana.

Wonderful idea by the way, NOW, if only my family and I could find a picture of this gentleman....we're still researching!

Subject: isandlwana survivors Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:51 am

hi Ladycat.
I have asked a collegue about a photo of Kincade , but alas , he thinks there isnt one and he did look everywhere !.
He has a vast amount of literature and didnt find one. Hope you have better luck in your search.
cheers 90th.

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I have a photo of A.W. Materson taken in 1880 in his full Carbineer undress blues but I have no idea how to load it. Directions please. He was awarded 1878-79 medal with clasp.

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hi izabel,
just send admin a PM and he will sort it out for you

thanks joe

Subject: isandlwana survivors Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:27 pm

hi Izabel.
Looking forward to you posting the photo of Materson.
cheers 90th.

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Hi all
I volunteered to help Izabel out with the photograph.

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Trooper A.W. Materson, Natal Carbineers

Subject: isandlwana survivors Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:26 am

Hi Izabel.
Great photo , thanks to 1879graves for helping to post the photo.
cheers 90th.

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Great photo!

Subject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:08 pm

SirDCC.
Could you add colour to this chaps uniform.

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Best I can do with this one Idea

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Subject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:57 pm

Now that’s is excellent. You could make a living and re-touching old photo'

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Brilliant!!! SirDCC What source do you used to get the colours of the various uniforms.

Dave

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Dave wrote:: Brilliant!!! SirDCC What source do you used to get the colours of the various uniforms.

Dave

Hi Dave, I have most, if not all the Osprey books on the Zulu War so between them & searching on the net I can find most uniform colours for the AZW.
They may not be spot on but pretty near to what they would have looked like.

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That is just too amazing. Im copying the photo and will have it reprinted for the NC museum. Thanks so much - kind of eerie tho in colour

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izabel wrote:: That is just too amazing. Im copying the photo and will have it reprinted for the NC museum. Thanks so much - kind of eerie tho in colour

Happy you like it Izabel,

To think it may be used in the NC museum makes it more than worthwhile

Subject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:03 pm

SirDCC. Excellent work. I too have taken a copy. Idea

Quote :: Im copying the photo and will have it reprinted for the NC museum.

I hope SirDCC gets a mention. scratch

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And the forum Admin.

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I think the blue may be a little to light on the other picture so here's #2 with the blue more like how it should be I think Wink

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A nice picture of one of the above listed surviviors of Isandlwana . Dugald Macphail BBG with an unknown Zulu veteran of the battle.

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Now its photo's like that, that makes History the history of the Zuluwar worth while. Nice nice one SirDCC..

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A Few more Photographs by Izabel

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Subject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:40 pm

Thanks for the 1879Graves and Izabel. Its a pity all the photo's didn't come with who's who.

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Many thanks for posting the photos for me. Only the top one isnt named. Ill go through Stalkers and see if I can identify them. Thought they may be of interest because some of them are wearing their medals

Subject: natal carbineers Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:44 am

hi Izabel / 1879graves.
Thanks for sharing the photo"s , much appreciated .
:)
cheers 90th.

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izabel wrote:: Many thanks for posting the photos for me. Only the top one isnt named. Ill go through Stalkers and see if I can identify them. Thought they may be of interest because some of them are wearing their medals

If you want the names of the troopers in the top photo just look at the bottom one Wink

:lol:

Subject: natal carbineers Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:03 am

hi sirDCC.
Well spotted , it is indeed the same photograph. Wink

cheers 90th.

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Do you know I never even noticed that. I wonder if this is the original photo Stalker used for his book. I got it from the Pietermaritzburg Archives so I think another trip is in order to see what else is hidden away there

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Hi My great great grand father John James White was a survivor of Isandlwana. He was a Sergent Farrier with the C & T Corp and later became a Chelsea Pensioner. I have a picture of him in his pensioners uniform and he is wearing his medal reversed to show the date.He had a gun carrage funeral. I have always wondered how many survived the battle and was interested to see this site.

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Hi Suem. Welcome to the forum. Any chance of seeing the photo inquestion.

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Wil try - I have scanned and saved the photo & newspaper cutting of his funeral but am not sure how to attach a file to this reply - not really IT literate! I can do it with a normal e-mail.

Guest

Hi Suem,

welcome to the forum, just attach your photo on an e-mail to admin he'll post it on the forum for you.

Cheers
Bookworm.

Subject: isandlwana survivors Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:35 am

hi suem.
Welcome to the forum , looking forward to the photo.
cheers 90th.

Subject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:17 pm

Suem. I have sent you a P.M

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Hello again,
Ive out together a list of the surviving officers from the battle of Isandlwana
Here they are...

Lt Henry Curling RA
Horace Smith-dorrien.
Captain Essex
JA Brickhill
Captain Alan Gardner
Lt J Adendorff
Lt Alfred Henderson NNH
Quartermaster. McPhail BBG
Lieutenant Higginson 3rd NNC
Captain Nourse NNC 1st
Captain Stafford NNC 1st
Captain Smythe NNC 1st
Lieutenant. Erskine NNC 1st
Lieutenant. Raw.
Captain. Barton

If anyone can correct these, It would create a more accurate list Idea

I wont be around for about a week, so everybody keep up the excellent work Idea

thanks
Joe

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Loved looking at the pictures up top, good and clear, you're able to see faces and read the names of the soldiers.

We're still doing research about our ancestor, Trooper Robert J. Kincade, have sent out several inquiries, no response as yet.

Have a pleasant day/evening!

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Ladycat,
Im sure something will turn up in the future, its just the waiting game, someone will have some infomation or maybe a picture.

I can assure you all members here are still keeping an eye open.

thanks joe

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I know you're right. As I've said earlier, this is a great forum, lots of fascinating reading and wonderful photos to look at.

We won't ever look at Zulu and Zulu Dawn again the same way!

Subject: isandlwana survivors Sat Jul 24, 2010 8:25 am

hi joe.
LT. William Francis Dundonald Cochrane 32nd Regt - attached on Special Service to the staff No 2 Column as Transport Officer .
LT. Harry D . Davies Natal Native Horse , No 5 ( Edendale ) Troop.
LT. Richard . Wyatt . Vause , Natal Native Horse , No 3 ( Sikali ) Troop.
LT. T. Vaines , 1st Batt , 3rd Regt NNC , 9th Co.
LT. George Frederick Andrews Natal Native Pioneer Corps 1st Co.
Acting Control Officer , James Nathanial Hamer , Civilian attached to Army Commissariat and Transport Department .
Here are 6 more for your list , as far as I am aware this should be all of them .
cheers 90th.

Posts : 37 Join date : 2010-07-25

I am writing a historical saga which starts just before the Ango Zulu War. Can anyone tell me what happened to any of the survivors of Isandlwana.? I have a character who needs to fight on until the end of the war. Also, I need a regiment which fought in both Zulu War and Anglo boer War. So far I have the 17th lancers. Again, a character who needs to fight in both wars. This looks like a fabulous forum I wish I'd discovered it 7 years ago when I started this novel!!

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oh, i should have said that my survivor should preferably have been attached to the 2/24th. I know G company stayed behind and did not go with Chelmsford that day but don't know if any of them survived (or disappeared that I could "make" survive)

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