WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

'Ah! Those red soldiers at Isandlwana, how few they were, and how they fought! They fell like stones-each man in his place
 
HomeHome  GalleryGallery  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» National Army Museum iSandlwana Lecture 25th January 2020
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyToday at 4:17 am by 90th

» Brevet Lieutenant-Colonel John Russell 12th Lancers.
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyToday at 4:14 am by 90th

» George Astell Pardoe Lieutentant, 13th Light Infantry
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyToday at 3:59 am by 90th

» John Courtenay Chasmen Chadwick.
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyToday at 3:53 am by 90th

» Lt Col George Merritt OBE
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 11:25 pm by ADMIN

» Lieutenant Charles Henry Bennett Williams
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 10:52 pm by ADMIN

» COLONEL JOHN MATHEW JONES
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 10:43 pm by ADMIN

» Lt.Colonel Law
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 10:06 pm by ADMIN

» Maxwell, William Henry Stopiord Heron
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 9:49 pm by ADMIN

» Sir Charles Bullen Hugh Mitchell
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 9:38 pm by ADMIN

» Lieutenant A.E.Miles 2nd Batt. Kings Royal Rifles
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 9:22 pm by ADMIN

» Lieutenant Charles Henry Bennett Williams. 94th Foot
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 9:12 pm by ADMIN

» DAVID FRANCIS LEWIS
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 7:54 pm by 1879graves

» Howard Fleetwood Babington.
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 7:31 pm by 1879graves

» FREDERICK JOHN DURRANT SCOTT,
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 6:18 pm by ADMIN

» General Buller's statue to be moved?
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 5:13 pm by John Young

» 142 years on.
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 10:29 am by ADMIN

» The future of the Museum of the Royal Welsh, Brecon.
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 10:04 am by ADMIN

» Staff Quarter-Master Sergeant J. E. Faulks, North Staffordshire Regiment
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 12:37 am by 90th

» Private Henry Vaughan, 1st or King’s Dragoon Guards
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 12:36 am by 90th

» Capt. R. Maclean, Nat. Mtd. Inf
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 12:34 am by ADMIN

» Tpr. R. G. Nicholson. Diamond Fds Horse
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 12:04 am by 90th

» Notes on England's Sons 8th Edition Pte Wyer/Hudd
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyYesterday at 12:00 am by 90th

» Brigadier General Dayrell Talbot Hammond
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyThu Jan 21, 2021 11:59 pm by ADMIN

» Sgt Major James Barry. 1st Dragoon Guards
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyThu Jan 21, 2021 11:07 pm by ADMIN

» Major General Brownrigg
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyThu Jan 21, 2021 10:20 pm by ADMIN

» 1931. Pte. H. Lodge. 80th Foot
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyThu Jan 21, 2021 8:29 pm by ADMIN

» Captain Walter Haweis James, Royal Engineers.
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyThu Jan 21, 2021 6:03 pm by 1879graves

» Lieutenant James Nicholas Hurt, Lonsdale's Horse.
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyThu Jan 21, 2021 5:29 pm by 1879graves

» Lieutenant Colonel James Ring
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyThu Jan 21, 2021 5:01 pm by 1879graves

» James Nicholson 2/4th Foot at Lancaster
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyThu Jan 21, 2021 4:34 pm by 1879graves

» Major A. H. Tylden-Pattenson, East Kent Regiment
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyThu Jan 21, 2021 4:13 pm by 1879graves

» Springbok in Natal from 2010 through to 2015
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyThu Jan 21, 2021 8:00 am by Frank Allewell

» Captain Hugh Rudolph Gough.
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyThu Jan 21, 2021 1:55 am by 90th

» ◦Maj.-Gen. Richard Steele Rupert Fetherstonhaugh
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyWed Jan 20, 2021 11:00 pm by ADMIN

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
Battle of Isandlwana 1879 with Historian Dr David Rattray
Top posters
90th
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
littlehand
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
ADMIN
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
1879graves
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
rusteze
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
John
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
Mr M. Cooper
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
Top posting users this month
ADMIN
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
90th
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
John Young
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
1879graves
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
nail73
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
Petty Officer Tom
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
gardner1879
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
Blacksmith
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_leftWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. BarWrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Bar_right 
Most active topics
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable. 4
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Isandlwana, Last Stands
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Most Viewed Topics
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Adding to the Library
The ammunition question
Recent Members To The ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879)
ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Lieutenant Adendorff 1-3 N.N.C.
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Keywords
24th George melvill Natal taylor gardner harford james martini horse drift john Woolfryes Franklin carbineers henry Durnford payne spalding Russell Isandlwana smith Prince Mounted Police zulu

 

 Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one.

Go down 
AuthorMessage
Dave

Dave

Posts : 1605
Join date : 2009-09-21

Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Empty
PostSubject: Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one.   Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptySun Jun 19, 2011 10:31 am

Why did the British choose the rainy season to invade. ( This alone would have slowed the whole process down making it easy for the Zulus to attack a slow moving column in the open.

Was it necessary to split the advancing columns,could they not have invaded as one. The intention had been to prevent the Zulu army escaping, upon entering Zululand all of the three columns were to far apart to help each other.






Back to top Go down
Chard1879

Chard1879

Posts : 1261
Join date : 2010-04-12

Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Empty
PostSubject: Re: Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one.   Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptySun Jun 19, 2011 11:30 am

"Chelmsford originally planned to send five separate columns into Zululand, and essentially prevent the Zulu’s from avoiding a major confrontation by surrounding them. This was changed into three columns, the 4th and 1st columns continued as originally planned, but the 3rd and 2nd merged into a larger central column. The fifth column, consisting of roughly 2,300 men did not enter Zululand at all."
Back to top Go down
90th

90th

Posts : 10189
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 64
Location : Melbourne, Australia

Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Empty
PostSubject: Wrong time to invade zululand   Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptySun Jun 19, 2011 2:09 pm

Hi Dave.
This has been covered fairly well on the forum , but I'm not sure where it is ! .
cheers 90th.
Back to top Go down
Mr Greaves

Mr Greaves

Posts : 747
Join date : 2009-10-18

Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Empty
PostSubject: Re: Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one.   Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyFri Jun 24, 2011 1:22 pm

It appears that the British had invaded Zululand prior to the 11th Jan., which would have been a Saturday,

Newman states:
“During the afternoon on the Wednesday (Which would have been the 8th Jan) the camp was startled by a sentry sending in news that several mountain men were coming down to the river from the Zulu said, and at that distance, it was impossible to distinguish who or what they were. All turned out and hurried down to the drift. Where the punt was working. And it was then discovered that the visitors were not Zulus at all; but the party consisted of Captain Barton and Lieutenant Baron Von Steitencron, of the frontier light horse, with an escort of one corporal and three men, who had made a most adventurous ride from Colonel Wood’s column, which we learnt had crossed the Blood River on the previous Monday morning, (That would have been on the 6th Jan) and were encamped a few miles in Zululand.”

So could we say the Hostilities? Actually began on the 6th Jan when Wood’s cross into Zululand. Because its was not for the intention of peace talks.

(I could be wrong, I don’t know)

Source> In Zululand with the British Army.
Back to top Go down
old historian2

old historian2

Posts : 1095
Join date : 2009-01-14
Location : East London

Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Empty
PostSubject: Re: Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one.   Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptyFri Jun 24, 2011 9:46 pm

Has this not been mentioned before, it other history books.
Back to top Go down
Chelmsfordthescapegoat

Chelmsfordthescapegoat

Posts : 2581
Join date : 2009-04-24

Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Empty
PostSubject: Re: Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one.   Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptySat Jun 25, 2011 12:04 am

Mr. G.
No. 4 Column under Colonel Wood did cross on the 6th January in preparation for the advance up the Zulu coast.
Back to top Go down
kwajimu1879

kwajimu1879

Posts : 420
Join date : 2011-05-14

Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Empty
PostSubject: Re: Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one.   Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptySat Jun 25, 2011 9:31 am

Chelmsford the Scapegoat,

I think you are confusing your columns! Evelyn Wood's theatre of operations was no where near any coast, that I know of.

Pearson's column was known as the coastal column, as their line of advance was parallel with the Indian Ocean.

kwaJimu1879
Back to top Go down
impi

impi

Posts : 2307
Join date : 2010-07-02
Age : 41

Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Empty
PostSubject: Re: Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one.   Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptySat Jun 25, 2011 11:14 am

No. 4 column, under Colonel Evelyn Wood, V.C., C.B.,
was at Utrecht, and was composed of the 1st Batt. 13th
Light Infantry, the 90th Perthshire Light Infantry, 4 guns
of the nth Battery, ;th Brigade, R.A., the Frontier Light
Llorse, and some thousand native allies.

1879. Colonel Wood's column crossed the Blood River and
entered Zululand on the 6th of January. Several skir-
mishes between the scouts of the column and the enemy-
took place, invariably ending in the defeat of the latter
and the capture of their cattle. On the ioth, the troops
moved in the direction of Rorke's Drift for the purpose of
co-operating with No. 3 column in an attack upon a large
force of the enemy, under Sirayo. The Zulus, however, in
spite of the rapid movements of our troops, had received
a timely warning and had retired. Several thousand head
of cattle were captured, and after a consultation with Lord
Chelmsford, Colonel Wood returned with his column to the
Blood River.

On the 1 8th, No. 4 column left its camp near Bemba's
Kop, moving in a north-westerly direction, and at
11.30 p.m. on the 21st, advanced against a large body of
the enemy strongly posted on the Zlobani Mountain. The
90th, thirty Dutch volunteers, and 600 of Wood's Irregulars
passed under the Insaka at daylight, and ascending the
Zunguin heights passed over the top driving the enemy
before them. The 13th and guns marched from Tinta's
kraal, and encamped at the foot of the Zunguin. On this
occasion Captain Wilson's company of the 90th having to
escort some waggons back to camp, returned immediately
that duty was performed, having marched thirty-six miles
in twenty-four hours. A second attack was made on the
enemy's position on the 24th, when the 90th advanced in
line against 4,000 Zulus, who turned and fled. In both
attacks the enemy suffered severely from our well-directed
fire.

At this time the news of the disaster at Isandhlwana
reached Colonel Wood, who determined to retire to the
Umvolosi River for the purpose of covering Utrecht.

Compelled by circumstances to remain stationary, Col.
Wood sought for a position, which, while guarding the
main line into the Transvaal, would at the same time
enable him to act on the offensive whenever an opportunity

offered. .V site for an entrenched camp was chosen on the 1879.
Kambula Hill, commanding three lines of road, viz., that
leading, via Derby, to Pretoria, that entering Natal at
Rorke's Drift, and the main road to Utrecht.
Back to top Go down
1879graves

1879graves

Posts : 3083
Join date : 2009-03-03
Location : Devon

Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Empty
PostSubject: Re: Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one.   Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. EmptySat Jun 25, 2011 6:23 pm

Hi All

This is from "From Midshipman To Filed Marshal" by Sir Evelyn Wood VC.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Back to top Go down
http://zuluwar1879.tribalpages.com
Sponsored content




Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Empty
PostSubject: Re: Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one.   Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one. Empty

Back to top Go down
 
Wrong time to invade Zululand & invade as one.
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: GENERAL DISCUSSION AREA-
Jump to: