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PostSubject: Isand. PULLEINE / CHELSMFORD instruction to defend the camp   Isand. PULLEINE / CHELSMFORD instruction to defend the camp EmptyThu Sep 29, 2011 2:04 pm

Hi all,

Lord CHELSMFORD had recommended defensive formation ("extended lines") in the event of attack before the war.

At, Isandlwana, PULLEINE had followed to the letter instruction of his General.

Or, "PULLEINE was about to defend a large amount of unneccessary real estate".

QUESTION : Could PULLEINE disobey instruction of his General? (i don't know "military protocole" in this century in G.B).

My question is concentrate on the subject: not in the blame of the debacle on CHEMSFORD, PULLEINE or DURNFORD.

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PostSubject: Isand . Pulleine / Chelmesford instructions to defend the camp.   Isand. PULLEINE / CHELSMFORD instruction to defend the camp EmptyThu Sep 29, 2011 2:16 pm

Hi Ymob.
It seems your English is certainly improving , well done ( Tres Bien ) I think thats correct :lol!: . It's much better than my
French !. It wasnt the done thing in Victorian times to disobey orders from any General or commanding officer of any rank.
I know Chelmesford said he didnt mind if a column commander disobeyed his orders if they were acting independently in enemy
territory . Hope this answers your question .
cheers 90th. Idea
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PostSubject: Re: Isand. PULLEINE / CHELSMFORD instruction to defend the camp   Isand. PULLEINE / CHELSMFORD instruction to defend the camp EmptyThu Sep 29, 2011 3:22 pm

[quote="90th"]"It seems your English is certainly improving , well done ( Tres Bien )".


Hi 90th,

...as the French team of rugby!!!

"I am inclined to think that the first experience of the power of the Frenchies will be such a surprise to the Aussies that they will not be formidable after the first effort [ in the final of the world cup] ( primary source: Lord CHELSMFORD, i think).

Very good your french! the first time i am writing to you "in french"!!!! (smile)

ymob: the arrogant "froggie"(a pleonasm?)

Most seriously, this answers my question.

Thank you very much, "mon ami".

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PostSubject: Re: Isand. PULLEINE / CHELSMFORD instruction to defend the camp   Isand. PULLEINE / CHELSMFORD instruction to defend the camp EmptyThu Sep 29, 2011 6:42 pm

That is how Dr Greaves describes things in his book Islandwana: How the Zulus humbled the British Empire.
He deployed his men according to standing orders and as a result the whole defense was over extended and susceptible to being flanked.
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