WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Lord Chelmsford Said .Buller is ‘one of the finest soldiers of the century’, so modest and reticent –that it was difficult to say for what individual deed he had got the Victoria Cross as he had been doing acts worthy of it all along the line
 
HomeHome  GalleryGallery  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» Information on Zungen Nek ??????
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptySun Jul 12, 2020 9:46 pm by IqhaweWeb

» Rorkes drift Hotel
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyFri Jul 10, 2020 4:57 am by aussie inkosi

» Staff College, Camberley. Class of 1880-1
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyWed Jul 08, 2020 6:46 pm by Beckwith

» Pete Smith Cottage.
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyTue Jul 07, 2020 6:29 am by 90th

» Lt C. Williams KIA Hlobane
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyTue Jul 07, 2020 5:09 am by 90th

» Diamond Fields Horse in Zululand
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyTue Jul 07, 2020 4:58 am by 90th

» Buffalo Border Guard Anonymous Letter
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyMon Jul 06, 2020 11:42 pm by Julian Whybra

» Surgn. J. McGann. A. M. Dept
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyMon Jul 06, 2020 11:07 pm by ADMIN

» Lieutenant-Colonel William Henry Dowling Reeves Welman, 99th
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyMon Jul 06, 2020 10:54 pm by ADMIN

» Commander C. Lindsay.
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyMon Jul 06, 2020 10:42 pm by ADMIN

» Reopening National Archives
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyMon Jul 06, 2020 10:01 pm by Bill8183

» S.SMITH Buffalo Border Guard
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyMon Jul 06, 2020 1:48 pm by Julian Whybra

» NNC Officer List
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyMon Jul 06, 2020 1:45 pm by Ells

» One of the lesser-known stories. It took place around the same time as Isandlwana.
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyMon Jul 06, 2020 7:37 am by Julian Whybra

» N Batt 5th Bde RA
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptySat Jul 04, 2020 11:52 am by Rory Reynolds

» Questions of Time and Place at Isandlwana
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyFri Jul 03, 2020 12:38 pm by Frank Allewell

» Question Regarding the Uniforms of the Officers of the 24th at Isandlwana
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyFri Jul 03, 2020 6:06 am by SRB1965

» Malicious malware on this site
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyThu Jul 02, 2020 10:26 pm by intombe

» Zulu Victory - Views?
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyThu Jul 02, 2020 6:52 pm by WeekendWarrior

» Isandlwana Survivor photo's
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyThu Jul 02, 2020 3:56 pm by Julian Whybra

» Anyone got information on this.
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyThu Jul 02, 2020 3:55 pm by Julian Whybra

» Captn. H. G. Bowen, 88th Foot
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyThu Jul 02, 2020 1:18 pm by gstew88

» The South Africa Medal to HMS Forester - an anomaly?
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyWed Jul 01, 2020 7:41 pm by Petty Officer Tom

» Lieut. R. F. Dixon NMR
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyWed Jul 01, 2020 5:01 am by 90th

» Next month's DNW medal auction
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyTue Jun 30, 2020 6:45 am by 90th

» Zulu war medals on eBay
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyMon Jun 29, 2020 5:14 pm by SergioD

» John Basten
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptySun Jun 28, 2020 1:20 pm by Petty Officer Tom

» Lieutenant Walter Robert Higginson NNC
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptySun Jun 28, 2020 11:19 am by ciroferrara

» Letter home from Eshowe
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyThu Jun 25, 2020 2:24 pm by Blackcat

» Melvill's Revolver Cylinder
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyThu Jun 25, 2020 10:05 am by Drummer Boy 14

» Assistant Commissary W. Winspear Commissariat Department, present at Gingindlovu
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyMon Jun 22, 2020 12:05 pm by ADMIN

» Orders to laager at Isandhlwana
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptySun Jun 21, 2020 7:11 pm by SRB1965

» morale and the siege at Eshowe
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyFri Jun 19, 2020 9:58 am by Blackcat

» CUNNINGHAM
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyFri Jun 19, 2020 8:43 am by Julian Whybra

» ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptySat Jun 13, 2020 6:21 am by 90th

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
Rorke's Drift A Soldier's Story with presenter Major John Thomas
Top posters
90th
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
littlehand
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
ADMIN
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
1879graves
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
rusteze
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
John
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
Mr M. Cooper
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
Top posting users this month
Frank Allewell
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
90th
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
WeekendWarrior
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
ADMIN
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
Rory Reynolds
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
John Young
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
Ells
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
Brett Hendey
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
SRB1965
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_leftRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up BarRelic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Bar_right 
Most active topics
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Durnford was he capable. 4
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable.2
Durnford was he capable. 3
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Most Viewed Topics
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Adding to the Library
Isandlwana, Last Stands
The ammunition question
Recent Members To The ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879)
ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Lieutenant Adendorff 1-3 N.N.C.
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.

 

 Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up

Go down 
AuthorMessage
littlehand

littlehand

Posts : 7086
Join date : 2009-04-24
Age : 51
Location : Down South.

Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Empty
PostSubject: Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up   Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyWed Oct 05, 2011 3:26 pm

"Paleontologists searching for fossils in a remote area of South Africa were astonished to find spent bullets and cartridge case remnants in an area not previously known as a battle site. A chemical analysis of the cases and traces of propellant identified the items as being from the time of Britain's wars with the Zulus and the Boers. Investigators seeking further information about the previously unrecorded presence of British soldiers in the area have found papers in British Government archives which show that a third battle was fought after Isandlwana and Rorke's Drift.
In what is now being called the Balloe Massacre, a small force of about 300 Zulus massacred a larger force of about 900 British soldiers. There was only one - un-named survivor. His report was marked 'confidential' and has lain undiscovered in the British Parliament's archives ever since.

Researchers note that this massacre occurred during the year in which the British newspapers and illustrated magazines were focused on stories about the gallant defenders of Rorke's Drift, the ending of the Zulu War and the tragic collapse of the Tay Bridge. Perhaps it was a good time to bury bad news"


"The location

About 79 miles upstream of the junction of the White Umfolozi River and the Black Umfolozi River, just off the river's flood plain stands a strange rock formation known as Gingan in the local dialect. The name GinGan translates roughly as 'stone bones'.

The shape has been described as resembling a fossilised human leg, bent at the knee. At the top of the hill is a rock formation which - at a stretch, because it is only slightly convex - may be described as resembling a patella. Viewed from the plain at a specific angle, fissures in the flanks create a semblance of, on the one flank: a tibia and fibula; on the other flank: a femur."


"The massacre

It appears from the - admittedly slender - documentary evidence that a force of about 900 soldiers under the command of Sir Ephraim Balloe, on hearing news of the massacre at Isandlwana, retreated to the top of Gingan where it was supposed that the defenders might take advantage of high ground and make use of the many natural fissures for defensive purposes. Loose rock was gathered and parapet walls made on the sides of the many fissures facing the path up which the Zulus were expected to attack.

Gingan had obviously not been properly explored beforehand. A sketch map which accompanied the confidential report shows a side elevation and a plan of the 'knee'. The name Gingan has been struck out and the name 'Balloe' inserted. Perhaps Sir Ephraim - a member of the Royal Geographical Society - had hoped to make a name for himself as the 'discoverer' of the strange rock formation. The path running up the 'femur' is clearly marked in the sketch. Modern maps show that there is an eroded channel running down the other flank between the 'tibia' and the 'fibula'. In South African English such a channel, ditch or gully is known as a donga.

It is apparent that the Zulus made use of the donga as a defile to approach the British unseen. Without need to debouch, the Zulus were able to fire at the rear of the soldiers who had made themselves ready to repel attack exclusively from the opposite direction.

With the advantage of hindsight we can see that a few soldiers properly placed in the defile could have prevented the Zulu attack from the rear. The massacre was preventable."


From the original report:

Suddenly the noise of firing became much more intense, but with the smack of the bullets striking the earth all round quite close it was not easy to tell from which direction this fresh firing came. At the same time the men seemed to be dropping much oftener, and I was impressing them with the necessity of keeping up a brisker fire to the front, when I noticed a bullet hit our side of the parapet.

It then became clear, the enemy must evidently have got into the donga behind us (to which I paid no attention, as it was to the rear), and were shooting us in the back as we stood up to our parapet.

From the official Parliamentary records:

SIR EDWARD WATKIN
asked the Secretary of State for the Colonies ... whether such Report was not printed, with maps attached, last autumn; and, if so, why the Report and maps were excluded from recent Papers, and, in fact, suppressed, until a Question was asked in the House; and, whether he can give a date before which the Report and maps will be issued to Members, in pursuance of the promise of the Secretary of State for War?

SIR MICHAEL HICKS-BEACH
[the report] being very voluminous, it was printed at the time for the use of the War Office, and, being so printed, was marked "Confidential." I had arranged last spring ... that if among the Papers forwarded ... there were any which, in his opinion, should not be published, they should be marked "Confidential; because, being the channel through which despatches to the War Office were presented to Parliament, I had often felt a difficulty in deciding whether Papers of a professional or technical character were fit for publication or not. Therefore, as this Report was so marked, of course I did not publish it. I trust the hon. Member will feel, after this explanation, that his use of the word "suppression" has not been justified.
Back to top Go down
tasker224

tasker224

Posts : 2102
Join date : 2010-07-30
Age : 53
Location : North London

Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Empty
PostSubject: Re: Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up   Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyWed Oct 05, 2011 4:01 pm

I am speechless for once.
How could the massacre of 900 British soldiers be covered up?
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Empty
PostSubject: Re: Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up   Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyWed Oct 05, 2011 4:21 pm

That doesn't sound right. How long after these other 2 battles is it supposed to have happened ? What regiments were involved ? 300 Zulus beat 900 British soldiers ?! scratch I think much more info is needed to be convinced.
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Empty
PostSubject: Re: Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up   Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyWed Oct 05, 2011 4:42 pm

Littlehand, I found that article on the net. It is an April Fool's joke ! Balloe-knee = baloney ! :lol!:
Back to top Go down
littlehand

littlehand

Posts : 7086
Join date : 2009-04-24
Age : 51
Location : Down South.

Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Empty
PostSubject: Re: Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up   Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyWed Oct 05, 2011 7:42 pm

Sorry chaps, bit premature I know. But couldn't resist. with all the recent heated debates, I thought a touch of humour was required. :lol!:
Back to top Go down
Mr M. Cooper

Mr M. Cooper

Posts : 2522
Join date : 2011-09-29
Location : Lancashire, England.

Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Empty
PostSubject: relic finds zulu war cover up   Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyWed Oct 05, 2011 7:42 pm

I thay,

you abtholute boundah,

what, what. :lol!:

I wonder who thought that one up. scratch

Back to top Go down
Mr M. Cooper

Mr M. Cooper

Posts : 2522
Join date : 2011-09-29
Location : Lancashire, England.

Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Empty
PostSubject: relic finds zulu war cover up   Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyWed Oct 05, 2011 7:45 pm

Ha ha ha,

Nice one littlehand.

Well done Sir. Idea
Back to top Go down
24th

24th

Posts : 1849
Join date : 2009-03-25

Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Empty
PostSubject: Re: Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up   Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyWed Oct 05, 2011 7:48 pm

Littlehand, you are a right w**** r. Just wasted 4 hours of my time. :lol!:
Back to top Go down
Chard1879

Chard1879

Posts : 1261
Join date : 2010-04-12

Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Empty
PostSubject: Re: Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up   Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyWed Oct 05, 2011 8:30 pm

Brilliant. Very well written. Well done Colin for spotting that.
Back to top Go down
impi

impi

Posts : 2308
Join date : 2010-07-02
Age : 40

Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Empty
PostSubject: Re: Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up   Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyWed Oct 05, 2011 10:03 pm

Echo 24th. :lol!:
Back to top Go down
90th

90th

Posts : 10089
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 64
Location : Melbourne, Australia

Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Empty
PostSubject: Relic finds reveal zulu war cover -up   Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyThu Oct 06, 2011 6:45 am

Hi littlehand '
I didnt get very far into your fairy tale and was scrolling down to reply as such when I stumpled across all the other posts.
I think we have / had enough cover up's of the real variety going on at the moment dont you ? . :lol!: :lol!: .
Good job though all the same .
cheers 90th. Idea .
Back to top Go down
tasker224

tasker224

Posts : 2102
Join date : 2010-07-30
Age : 53
Location : North London

Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Empty
PostSubject: Re: Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up   Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyThu Oct 06, 2011 7:30 pm

Not the best of your April Fools stories Littlehand.
Apart from 24th, no one on here was convinced.
The one you did a year or 2 back about some soldiers remains being found in a cave was a lot more convincing!
Please come up with something better for April 1st. You have 6 months.
Back to top Go down
impi

impi

Posts : 2308
Join date : 2010-07-02
Age : 40

Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Empty
PostSubject: Re: Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up   Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyThu Oct 06, 2011 8:04 pm

Quote :
I am speechless for once. How could the massacre of 900 British soldiers be covered up?

He got you TASKER.. :lol!:
Back to top Go down
tasker224

tasker224

Posts : 2102
Join date : 2010-07-30
Age : 53
Location : North London

Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Empty
PostSubject: Re: Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up   Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up EmptyThu Oct 06, 2011 8:31 pm

impi wrote:
Quote :
I am speechless for once. How could the massacre of 900 British soldiers be covered up?

He got you TASKER.. :lol!:

No, no, no, i didn't believe it, I was probing for some evidence!
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content




Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Empty
PostSubject: Re: Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up   Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up Empty

Back to top Go down
 
Relic Finds Reveal Zulu War Cover-Up
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: ZULU WAR PUBLICATIONS & REVIEWS-
Jump to: