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| Organisation and uniforme of the British Mounted Infantry in each battle | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Organisation and uniforme of the British Mounted Infantry in each battle Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:43 am | |
| Hello
As you know during the Zulu war, each squadron of British Mounted Infantry was made up of soldiers from different infantry battalions ...
The total number of Officers, N.C.O. and men in every battle of every squadron of British Mounted Infantry are well known in general...
- But not known, squadron by squadron ,how many Officers, NCO and men of each infantry battalion was provided for each squadron of British Mounted Infantry and for each battle ?
- At the battle of Gingindlovu ,the British Mounted Infantry wearing a new uniform (trousers of Oxford mixture per example) and weapons (swords per example), what was it?
- These new properties have it been worn by all units of the British Mounted Infantry for the second invasion of Zululand?
Cheers
Pascal
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| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: IMI in the zulu war Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:42 pm | |
| Hi
For those interested here is some information on the IMI in the Zulu war
March 1878 2/24th landed in South Africa – almost immediately a 30-strong mounted infantry troop was raised from its soldiers and Hulse was one of them under the command of Lieutenant William Sugden 2/24th. .
June 1878 MI troop was ordered to Natal as part of the build-up of troops for the Zulu War. It was detained en route in Pondoland (Jul-Aug) to pacify the country before arriving in Pietermaritzburg on 31.8.1878.
September 1878 Lord Chelmsford decided to create a 2nd Squadron, Imperial Mounted Infantry under Bvt. Major Percy Barrow 19th Hussars and MI troop was incorporated into it.
December 1878 The 2nd Squadron IMI was ordered to join Colonel Pearson’s Column No. 1 and it proceeded to the mouth of the Tugela River whence the Column commenced the invasion of Zululand on 11th January 1879.
22nd January 1879 2nd Squadron IMI fought at the battle of Inyezane.
March 1879 the 2nd Squadron IMI was entrenched at St. Andrew’s Mission near Fort Tenedos and formed part of the relieving force to advance on Eshowe.
2nd April 2nd Squadron IMI fought at the battle of Gingindhlovu.
3rd April 2nd Squadron IMI took part in the raid of Dabulamanzi’s kraal.
31st May 2nd Squadron IMI formed part of the second (successful) invasion of Zululand in the 2nd Brigade, Ist Division.
13-18th July 1879 2nd Squadron IMI took part in the search for King Cetshwayo.
12th September 1879 2nd Squadron IMI disbanded
Cheers
Pascal
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| | | 90th
Posts : 10909 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: organisation and uniforms of the British Army Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:41 am | |
| Hi Pascal . Also Number 1 Squadron of the IMI was present at the Battle of Isandlwana , in Julian Whybra's book England's Sons it gives a breakdown by unit , the names of those KIA and who survived . cheers 90th. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: IMI in the zulu war Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:23 am | |
| Hi 90 th
Yes it is time for me to receive all the books I ordered ...
I hope it has in it what I want...
Not only the history of the 24 th IMI but also a description of the new uniform and equipment for Gingindhlovu and after...
Cheers
Pascal
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| | | kwajimu1879
Posts : 420 Join date : 2011-05-14
| Subject: Re: Organisation and uniforme of the British Mounted Infantry in each battle Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:50 am | |
| Pascal,
The only place that you are going to find a detailed history of the both battalions of 24th's mounted infantry is in Historical Records of the 24th Regiment..., by George Paton, Farquhar Glennie & William Penn Symons, published in 1892. I believe that there is a reprint available, however the information you require is only on two and a half pages.
2nd Squadron, Mounted Infantry, who fought at Gingindlovu, were issued with heavy cavalry swords.
kwaJimu1879 |
| | | kwajimu1879
Posts : 420 Join date : 2011-05-14
| Subject: Re: Organisation and uniforme of the British Mounted Infantry in each battle Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:07 am | |
| Pascal, I've found it on line for you see [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]kwaJimu1879 |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: The book on the 24 th Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:06 am | |
| Hello
Thank you for the link is too great that I have read in this book, and I would not buy it for so few pages on the subject, yet I learned a lot, so thank you again...
Cheers
Pascal
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| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Book on the 24 th... Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:22 am | |
| ...and in this book there are also a lot about the last war against the Xhosa, it interests me too ... |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Organisation and uniforme of the British Mounted Infantry in each battle Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:02 am | |
| It seems to Gingindlovu, the imperial mounted infantry was not the same uniform and weapons than in January ... Or find a good description |
| | | ymob
Posts : 2268 Join date : 2010-10-22 Location : France
| Subject: Re: Organisation and uniforme of the British Mounted Infantry in each battle Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:08 am | |
| - Pascal MAHE wrote:
Hello
As you know during the Zulu war, each squadron of British Mounted Infantry was made up of soldiers from different infantry battalions ...
The total number of Officers, N.C.O. and men in every battle of every squadron of British Mounted Infantry are well known in general...
- But not known, squadron by squadron ,how many Officers, NCO and men of each infantry battalion was provided for each squadron of British Mounted Infantry and for each battle ?
Bonjour pascal,
Mister Julian WHYBRA had written an article on the subject of the squadron which was with CHELMSFORD's column. He gaves the rank, the names and the regiment of the soldiers/troopers (from memory).
Bien à toi.
frédéric
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| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Organisation and uniforme of the British Mounted Infantry in each battle Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:26 am | |
| Hi Frederic
Yes he sent me this, a long time ago, but I can not find it, but I shall return it, I think ... Not true troubleshooting, is that I seem to remember they did not have the same uniform and armament that in January ...
Cheers
Pascal |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Organisation and uniforme of the British Mounted Infantry in each battle Wed Dec 04, 2013 7:30 am | |
| It is certain that the uniforms Mi at Isandhwana were all brand new: My source for the new uniforms of the mounted infantry at Isandhwana are the memories of Their officer - Lieut. Newnham-Davis in His book-The Transvaal under the Queen - Sands & Co. (London, 1900)
The2nd Squadron of the Mounted Infantry, who fought at Gingindlovu, were issued with heavy cavalry swords.
And I think they had blue trousers with red piping as their comrades on foot...Unlike their comrades in the 1st Squadron , But I expect confirmation of uniformologues...
Rascal
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| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 4156 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Organisation and uniforme of the British Mounted Infantry in each battle Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:44 am | |
| Pascal Frederic is right. I did publish a detailed article on the 1st squadron back in the 1990s. I shall be including an updated version of it in Vol 4 of Studies in the Zulu War which will include a roll for the 2nd squadron too. You'll just have to be patient!! |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Organisation and uniforme of the British Mounted Infantry in each battle Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:26 pm | |
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| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 4156 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Organisation and uniforme of the British Mounted Infantry in each battle Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:02 pm | |
| In 10,000 years neither you nor I will be bothered any more....! Volume 3 will be out April-ish. Volume 4 September-ish. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Organisation and uniforme of the British Mounted Infantry in each battle Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:23 pm | |
| It's 10,000 years for me |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3312 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Organisation and uniforme of the British Mounted Infantry in each battle Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:32 pm | |
| Pascal, Looks like the 88th's contribution to the 2nd Squadron Mounted Infantry were still in the old single-loop serge frock, see the engraving based Charles Fripp's sketch of 1878: [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]John Y. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Organisation and uniforme of the British Mounted Infantry in each battle Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:21 am | |
| John
Yes I know, it is a color illustration or we see them using swords in their output at gingindhlovu ...
Thank you for the illustration
Pascal |
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