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Hi all

So the Lt The Hon. William Vereker Held a command in the 3rd NNC or in the Mounted Natal Native Contingent ? ...

Both versions are ...

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Hi Pascal

He was NNC

His body was found in the clump surrounding Colonel Durnfords body.


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Hello DB 14

yes that is what is accepted in general ...

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From Hill of the Spinx

Durnford's body was buried in a sort of waterwash, wrapped in canvas .The Natal men found near him were covered over with stones and their names written in pencil on nearby stones or pieces of wood . Gibson and Vereker of the NNC
were found .



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Ok, thank you, now it's over and it's a shame, I would have preferred the other solution ...

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How is the death the Lt The Hon. William Vereker Question 
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Pascal MAHE wrote:
How is the death the Lt The Hon. William Vereker Question 
 
Bonjour Pascal,
 
After he had given his horse to a auxilliary of the NNC,
the "history" doesn't know (no report or diaries).
 
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There is a theory that he was resqued by Charles Raw. Raw was presented with a silver statuett by his father showing a horseman with a body thrown over the pomel. I seem to think that Ron Lock, or Peter Q looked into that at one stage.

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There is a theory that he was resqued by Charles Raw. Raw was presented with a silver statuett by his father showing a horseman with a body thrown over the pomel. I seem to think that Ron Lock, or Peter Q looked into that at one stage.

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I have read something on this theory on this forum or another ("Rorke's Drift" forum).
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Hi Frederic and Mate

So how person died the greatest hero of this battle? Stabbed? Gun fires?

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Only the Zulus would know that!
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He had to die bravely as the excellent Durnford !
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springbok9 wrote:
There is a theory that he was resqued by Charles Raw. Raw was presented with a silver statuett by his father showing a horseman with a body thrown over the pomel. I seem to think that Ron Lock, or Peter Q looked into that at one stage.

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Hi Springbok and pascal
 
Right!
See "Rorke's Drift forum", Topic "Lt Raw", 10/07/2010
Peter Quantrill had written: "Paul Raw has just informed me that he has located a letter dated 14 March 1964 from the niece of Charles Raw, Mrs.Eileen Adams.She was the daughter of George Henry Raw, brother of Charles. This family version could have been handed down to the daughter by her father, who in turn heard it directly from Charles. The relevant sentence reads:
"He [Raw] led the loyal Zulus in the Zulu war and it was sometime then that he rescued Lord Gort's only son under heavy fire. He slung him across the saddle of his horse to bring him in and the boy [Vereker] was shot as he was bringing him in. His father had the jug specially made and designed and gave it to Uncle Charles in appreciation."
 
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Hi Ymob .
I also remember reading that story .
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Hi Fred&eric,Mate & Marsupial

He died on a horse trying to escape, no last stand with Durnford? Disappointing!

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Hi Fred&eric,Mate & Marsupial

He died on a horse trying to escape, no last stand with Durnford? Disappointing!

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Pascal,
Don't forget, it's just a "theory' (aprocryphe's story?)

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Yes Fred&eric a aprocryphe's story because Durnford's body was buried in a sort of waterwash, wrapped in canvas .The Natal men found near him were covered over with stones and their names written in pencil on nearby stones or pieces of wood . Gibson and Vereker of the NNC
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Pascal MAHE wrote:
Yes Fred&eric a aprocryphe's story because Durnford's body was buried in a sort of waterwash, wrapped in canvas .The Natal men found near him were covered over with stones and their names written in pencil on nearby stones or pieces of wood . Gibson and Vereker of the NNC
were found .

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Pascal,
I have read all the topic (I.E. "Lt RAW).
Il also think that it was a apocryphe's story.
But it's just a opinion.

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Rascal / Ymob .
That is a theory not fact , I've also read that Vereker's body was with the Durnford group . Rascal this is the problem with the Battle at Isandlwana , there is a lack of evidence in any facet of the battle , that's why many of the questions you ask can never be answered with 100 % accuracy . Evidence just doesnt exist , unfortunately ! . Don\'t agree  Don\'t agree 
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Marsupial/Fred&eric Do not tell me my poor friends, if you know what Gary just said is true and wrong doing that, but I am Breton and as everyone knows Bretons are stubborn,, so I'm hanging !!!

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Pascal MAHE wrote:
Marsupial/Fred&eric Do not tell me my poor friends, if you know what Gary just said is true and wrong doing that, but I am Breton and as everyone knows Bretons are stubborn,, so I'm hanging !!!

Pascal,

Sorry, but i don't understand very well what you mean (Who is Gary? "just said is true and wrong doing that").
As you know, my english langage is very poor...)

I.E: The bretons are stubborns?, really? (this evening i met my breton's friends who are in the navy / i live near Toulon)Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy 

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Gary = 90th = Marsupial and my English language aussi very poor, alas ...

Yes my friend Only the Bretons are stubborn, but beware, only the Bretons, not the Gallo-Romans also of Brittany, or French, or I do not know what born in Brittany !

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"When war with the Zulus was imminent, he transferred with the rank of Lieutenant to Commandant Lonsdale's Regiment of the Natal Native Contingent. He was killed in action at the Battle of Isandhlwana during the Anglo-Zulu War of 1879. His body was found and immediately recognised four months after the battle, and was buried on the field.

According to Lieutenant Charlie Raw (who survived the massacre), Vereker could have escaped the overrun camp, but Vereker nobly gave the stray horse which Raw had given him to an African trooper of the Zikhali Horse who claimed it was his own."

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Then he died on foot or on horseback?
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Well if he gave his horse to the native soldier. I would say on foot. It's annoying because his body was found four months after the battle, it's just a pity they don't mention the locality.
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He was found next to the brave Durnford, I think...
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Possibly? Personal opinion applies!
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The James Stuart Archive of oral
Zulu testimony vol's 1-5 which i
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Sorry,ive mentioned before, Natalia,
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thank you for the link
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Les, the link you posted, click on it, look at the right handside, you will see links to share. Copy the bottom link IMG and pasted on forum. Then you will get the image, as I have posted above,
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Again,thank you for the link.
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PostSubject: Re: Where was the Lt The Hon. William Vereker ?   Where was  the Lt The Hon. William Vereker ? EmptyFri Aug 30, 2013 12:00 pm

My Brother in law, named Charles Raw, and a great great nephew of the Charles Raw of Isandlwana owns a tankard with the inscription on the base that it came from Lord Gort in honour of the Honourable William Vereker killed at Isandula. Paul Raw has referred to this in other exchanges. We think the base and top don't match as the top doesn't appear to have the image of the man slung over the saddle, but we have heard the hearsay story through family links. I have a photo of the tankard, but being new to this forum I am not sure how photos are attached.
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PostSubject: Re: Where was the Lt The Hon. William Vereker ?   Where was  the Lt The Hon. William Vereker ? EmptyFri Aug 30, 2013 12:25 pm

Tom Tribe wrote:
My Brother in law, named Charles Raw, and a great great nephew of the Charles Raw of Isandlwana (...).
 
Hello,
Does you brother in law has photos of Charles Raw (NNH at isandlwana) or others soldiers of zulu wars (or others "materials" not publied) ????
I know only one photo of Charles RAW (with a group of colonial's troopers / from memory SNOOK's -book "How can men died better..")
 
There is one another with VAUSE on horses (Adrian Greaves / "Isandlwana"), but in reality, it's not Charles RAW on the photo.
 
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Frédéric
 
I.E: Sorry, but me too, I don't know "how photos are attached"!
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PostSubject: Re: Where was the Lt The Hon. William Vereker ?   Where was  the Lt The Hon. William Vereker ? EmptyFri Aug 30, 2013 12:34 pm

Hi Tom and welcome.
I believe that tankard was presented to Charles Raw because of an attempt to save the life of Vereker. I seem to recall a discusion by Ron Lock. I will try and locate it.

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PostSubject: Re: Where was the Lt The Hon. William Vereker ?   Where was  the Lt The Hon. William Vereker ? EmptyFri Aug 30, 2013 12:47 pm

springbok9 wrote:
Hi Tom and welcome.
I believe that tankard was presented to Charles Raw because of an attempt to save the life of Vereker. I seem to recall a discusion by Ron Lock. I will try and locate it.

Hi Sprongbok
There's a link with Ron Lock's discussion above (see a precedent post / Rorke's Drift forum)
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The Lt The Hon. William Vereker died next to the brave Durnford, I think...
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