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PostSubject: Who came out the tents?   Who came out the tents? EmptySat Dec 24, 2011 1:12 pm

Any ideas as to who these men where??

It Isandlwana


One party of soldiers came out from among the tents and formed up a little above the ammunition waggons. They held their ground there until their ammunition failed them, when they were nearly all assegaied



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PostSubject: Who came out the tents?   Who came out the tents? EmptySat Dec 24, 2011 2:02 pm


Hi

They were part of the detail of the battalion and therefore did not go into battle with the companies ...

See the list of units from 24 th I had put in the subject "Zulu army at Isandhlwana," there is always a maximum of people who are not in combat companies in each battalion...

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PostSubject: Re: Who came out the tents?   Who came out the tents? EmptySat Dec 24, 2011 2:51 pm

The odd bodies were gathered and sent down to join Pope earlier so its unlikly that they would be the group refered to.
Possibilities remain of Younghusband withdrawing through the tented area to the saddle and then onto the mountain skirt.

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PostSubject: Who came out the tents?   Who came out the tents? EmptySat Dec 24, 2011 5:04 pm

Hi

1st Battalion 24th Regiment of Foot – 16 & 398

OC – Lt. Col. Henry Pulleine; Adjt – Lt. Teignmouth Melvill; Paymaster – Hon. Maj. Francis
White; QM – Quartermaster James Pullen; Sergeant Major Frederick Gapp; Quartermaster
Sergeant Thomas Leitch.

• A Coy – Capt. Wm. Degacher,1 Lt. Francis Porteous.

• C Coy – Capt. Reginald Younghusband, Lt. George Hodson.

• E Coy – Lt. Charles Cavaye, 2nd Lt. Edwards [sic] Dyson.

• F Coy – Capt Wm. Mostyn, Lt. Patrick Daly, Lt. Edgar Anstey.

• H Coy – Capt. George Wardell, Lt. Charles Atkinson.

(A total of 11 officers and 385 nco & men for the coys A,C,E,F & H on the front line...)

• Lt. Nevill Coghill (serving on the column staff, but injured and left behind at the
camp).

• Band.

• Pioneer Section – Cpl. Richardson and 5-8 others.

• 6 man detail 90th Regt. attached [not included in 398 OR strength].


G Company and Rear Details 2nd Battalion 24th Regiment of Foot – 5 & 171

Adjt – Lt. Henry Dyer; Tpt Officer - Sub-Lt. Thomas Griffith; QM – Quartermaster Edward
Bloomfield; Quartermaster Sergeant George Davis.

• G Coy – Lt. Charlie Pope, Lt. Fred Godwin-Austen (2 officers and about 80-90 ORs).

• Battalion Guard Detail; 1 x section of A Coy (say 20-25 men).

This combat section of the company "A" of the 2nd Battalion 24th Regiment of Foot, necessarily followed the "G" Coy , since it was a complete section of combat ...

(A total of 2 officers and 115 nco & men for the coy G & A on the front line...)

• 6 x company rear parties (left behind to watch tents and kits). Say 4 men per coy (or 1
man per section) = 24 ORs

• Bandmaster Harry Bullard and 3 boy-bandsmen.

• Pioneer section (Cpl and 7-8 others).

• Officer’s batmen and other miscellaneous rear details.


The number of men of the Imperial infantry stay in the camp is important and not all of the 24 th foot...

1st Battalion 24th Regiment of Foot – 5 & 13 + 6 men detail 90th Regt. attached ...all remained in the camp...

OC – Lt. Col. Henry Pulleine; Adjt – Lt. Teignmouth Melvill; Paymaster – Hon. Maj. Francis
White; QM – Quartermaster James Pullen; Sergeant Major Frederick Gapp; Quartermaster
Sergeant Thomas Leitch.

• Lt. Nevill Coghill (serving on the column staff, but injured and left behind at the
camp).

• Band.

• Pioneer Section – Cpl. Richardson and 5-8 others.

• 6 man detail 90th Regt. attached [not included in 398 OR strength].

Total : 24 all remained in the camp...



Rear Details 2nd Battalion 24th Regiment of Foot – 3 & 56 all remained in the camp...


Adjt – Lt. Henry Dyer; Tpt Officer - Sub-Lt. Thomas Griffith; QM – Quartermaster Edward
Bloomfield; Quartermaster Sergeant George Davis.

• 6 x company rear parties (left behind to watch tents and kits). Say 4 men per coy (or 1
man per section) = 24 ORs

• Bandmaster Harry Bullard and 3 boy-bandsmen.

• Pioneer section (Cpl and 7-8 others).

• Officer’s batmen and other miscellaneous rear details.

Total : 59 all remained in the camp...



Total : 83 officers, non commissioned officers and soldiers of the Imperial infantry all remained in the camp...Not counting those of the imperial mounted infantry...

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PostSubject: Re: Who came out the tents?   Who came out the tents? EmptySat Dec 24, 2011 5:10 pm

This is what Pulliene said after around 20 miniutes of the battle

March all the men who can carry arms out of the camp.



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PostSubject: Re: Who came out the tents?   Who came out the tents? EmptySat Dec 24, 2011 5:28 pm

Hi

When the battle is well underway, Pulleine must find that much of imperial infantry in the camp, but that's normal since Isandhlwana was the rear base of Chelmsford, so there are people, including imperial infantry not being part of the combat companies ...

The 6 company commander at the front would have liked to have with them ...

You can imagine the weaknesses of each company at the front , and all inextended order Allowed Between Three paces between each man (7 - 1 / 2 ft)

It is to cry, it was the deployment orders of Chelmsford coming straight from the settlement of 1877...

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