WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Zulu Dawn:Col Crealock. “Excuse me, my Lord, there's something I must convey to you. I rode along the track down to Rorke's Drift. The sky above is red with fire. Your orders my Lord? Do we move to the drift?”
 
HomeHome  GalleryGallery  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» 90th foot sgt T. Collins 214
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyToday at 1:32 am by 90th

» Civilian Surgeon W.J. Cobbin
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyYesterday at 4:00 am by Frank Allewell

» Midshipman Coker photo
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyThu Jun 17, 2021 8:40 pm by ADMIN

» Battle of Rorke's Drift memorabilia
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyTue Jun 15, 2021 12:35 pm by John Young

» Lost Fortifications
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptySun Jun 13, 2021 4:51 pm by Richie Rich

» Isolated Graves in Zululand
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptySun Jun 13, 2021 4:48 pm by Richie Rich

» Melvill and Coghill Victoria Cross query
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed Jun 09, 2021 5:52 pm by Kenny

» Isandlwana Bugle
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed Jun 09, 2021 2:53 pm by Richie Rich

» Lambert, James Drummond (1835 - 3/3/1905)
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed Jun 09, 2021 7:26 am by John Young

» Time capsule back to the sphinx mountain
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyTue Jun 08, 2021 3:25 pm by timothylrose

» Prince Imperial visited
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyTue Jun 08, 2021 1:43 pm by Richie Rich

» Colonel W. P. Collingwood
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptySun Jun 06, 2021 9:03 am by 1879graves

» Edward Provis Wickham Acting Transport Officer during the Zulu War
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyFri Jun 04, 2021 3:36 pm by ADMIN

» Lieutenant G. D. Hayward, Frontier Light Horse
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyFri Jun 04, 2021 3:26 pm by ADMIN

» 1042. Drumr. E. Allam. 57th. Foot.
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyFri Jun 04, 2021 3:03 pm by ADMIN

» (Lieut: R. F. Westmacott. 77th. Foot.)
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyFri Jun 04, 2021 2:39 pm by ADMIN

» Qr. Mr. Sergt. T. Leitch, 1/24th Foot
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyFri Jun 04, 2021 2:33 pm by ADMIN

» 422 Pte. J. Venning. late 1/13th Foot)
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyFri Jun 04, 2021 2:27 pm by ADMIN

» Trumpeter J. J. Horne, Newcastle Mounted Rifles
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyFri Jun 04, 2021 2:04 pm by ADMIN

» Trooper H. Smith NMP Suicide, 27th February, Helpmakaar.
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyFri Jun 04, 2021 12:50 pm by ADMIN

» Troopers E & W Tarboton, Natal Carbineers - Isandlwana
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyFri Jun 04, 2021 12:36 pm by gardner1879

» 36/1434 Pte. J. Hurley, 1/13th Foot
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed Jun 02, 2021 5:04 pm by gardner1879

» 389 Pte. J. Chatterton, 1/24th Foot,
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed Jun 02, 2021 4:59 pm by gardner1879

» 1509 Pte. C. Mullin, 1/24th Foot,
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed Jun 02, 2021 4:51 pm by gardner1879

» Melvill's Revolver Cylinder
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed Jun 02, 2021 4:17 pm by WeekendWarrior

» Other Ranks Foreign Service Frock
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed Jun 02, 2021 3:00 pm by bllusc

» Videttes flags and signalling
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyMon May 31, 2021 8:21 pm by gardner1879

»  P. C. Van Niekerk B/3rd Cape Yeo.
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyMon May 31, 2021 3:33 am by nitro450

» The engraved narrative is dense with detail, showing British soldiers marching and sprawled dead on the ground
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyFri May 28, 2021 6:34 pm by ADMIN

» 24th Regiment Pioneers
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyTue May 25, 2021 8:30 pm by WeekendWarrior

» Ian Knight Questions and answers
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyTue May 25, 2021 8:52 am by Frank Allewell

» 2nd Lieut. S. Strong 90th MID for Khambula
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyTue May 25, 2021 8:01 am by 90th

» Word Search Brain Training. All to do with Zulu War. 34 words to find.
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyMon May 24, 2021 8:16 pm by ADMIN

» Stevenson's Horse 1879 medal
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptySat May 22, 2021 2:20 pm by blind pew

» Annie Crisp Bond
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed May 19, 2021 4:57 pm by 1879graves

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
Col Sgt Frank Bourne DCM
Top posters
90th
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
littlehand
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
ADMIN
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
1879graves
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
rusteze
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
John
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
Mr M. Cooper
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
Top posting users this month
Richie Rich
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
ADMIN
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
gardner1879
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
90th
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
John Young
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
Kenny
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
Danny1960
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
1879graves
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
aussie inkosi
The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_leftThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 BarThe traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Bar_right 
Most active topics
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Durnford was he capable.1
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Durnford was he capable.5
Durnford was he capable. 4
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Most Viewed Topics
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Adding to the Library
The ammunition question
Recent Members To The ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879)
ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Lieutenant Adendorff 1-3 N.N.C.
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Keywords
Mounted payne harford 24th taylor smith Police john Woolfryes james zulu Durnford drift horse henry Prince Franklin spalding Russell martini Isandlwana carbineers Natal George melvill Forbes
 

 The traitor John Dunn

Go down 
Go to page : Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
AuthorMessage
Guest
Guest



The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: Re: The traitor John Dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyMon Oct 07, 2013 6:22 pm

yes pascal i saw that, he casually picked off induna's
and people of note. please understand JD's position.
and i know its hard but try to put yourself in his place,
what would you do?. Colenso called him a double dyed
traitor, saying he betrayed Cetshwayo twice, once over
Umbulazi. and siding with the British. Shepstone was the
cause of his break with the British, he basically stitched
him up,so Dunn packed up and headed off into Zululand
where the King's patronage ensured that he thrived.

He turned on the British and Zulu alike. and was he not a
very lucky man in that he was able to choose.he chose
to put his family and adherents first,every time..and so
would i. you?. history is written by the winners,i feel he was,
is. harshly judged.

You said." i did not know the zulu's were writing poem's,
thought they were not writing". it refers to praise poems.
no, not written. oral..passed,with extreme accuracy from
generation to generation.see,read.. The James Stuart
Archive. cheers mon ami xhosa
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: Re: The traitor John Dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyMon Oct 07, 2013 6:59 pm

In its place I have fled the Zulus and the British like the plague and wait for the end of the war and you ?
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: Re: The traitor John Dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyMon Oct 07, 2013 7:31 pm

context please pascal.where could he go.
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: Re: The traitor John Dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyTue Oct 08, 2013 6:59 am

I do not know, but in the Africa Region, the nearest or there are no participants in this war, which was the nearest non-British colony? ... You do not have any idea ?And I come back for trading in Zululand, after the war Very Happy 
Back to top Go down
6pdr

6pdr

Posts : 1086
Join date : 2012-05-12
Location : NYC

The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: Re: The traitor John Dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyTue Oct 08, 2013 4:57 pm

Pascal MAHE wrote:
I do not know, but in the Africa Region...
Liberia, no doubt. You know Pascal, there is no point in raising these issues, starting these conversations if you are not going to offer reasonable answers. Whatever one makes of John Dunn, he had hundreds of mouths to feed and lives to protect. His household was a large village in and of itself. Which should he have done, magically transported them "somewhere in Africa" (via either British or Zulu controlled territory, btw,) or abandoned them and gone off by himself?
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: Re: The traitor John Dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyTue Oct 08, 2013 5:22 pm

Everything you said is true, in this case it remains to Zululand, among his people and he did not lift a finger.

It remains neutral, the Zulu did not have him accused of being neutral and the British would have to reach him before the end of the war, when they would no longer had need of him ...
Back to top Go down
90th

90th

Posts : 10289
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 65
Location : Melbourne, Australia

The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: The Traitor John Dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed Oct 09, 2013 1:39 am

Rascal this is a waste of time because no matter what is said in regard to Dunn , you have him branded as a traitor .
I think , like many others on here , that he didnt have any other option ! . If he sided with the zulu how do you think he would've been treated by the British and those in Natal ? . He had 100's to think of not just himself .
90th
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: Re: The traitor John Dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed Oct 09, 2013 7:11 am

Marsupial , by decency , I think it should have stayed neutral ! It was in Natal just before the war, it is this, because of this trip, he was forced to serve the British !
Back to top Go down
6pdr

6pdr

Posts : 1086
Join date : 2012-05-12
Location : NYC

The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: Re: The traitor John Dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed Oct 09, 2013 4:10 pm

90th wrote:
Rascal this is a waste of time because no matter what is said in regard to Dunn , you have him branded as a traitor .
I think , like many others on here , that he didnt have any other option ! . If he sided with the zulu how do you think he would've been treated by the British and those in Natal ? . He had 100's to think of not just himself .
90th  
What interests me about Dunn is whether he was a man ahead of his time or behind the times.  It's an anachronistic question, really, but it's interesting to me he's never really been taken up as a hero by anybody.   He lived like a medieval lord in some ways...and Chelmsford demanded he swear fealty.  He must have A LOT of descendants (as he had access to a lot of wombs,) so I wonder whether contemporary Dunns (for lack of a better way to express it--I'm sure very few, if any, share the name,) meet for huge family reunions or the lineage tends to be denied, or neither...  -6pdr
Back to top Go down
Chelmsfordthescapegoat

Chelmsfordthescapegoat

Posts : 2581
Join date : 2009-04-24

The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: Re: The traitor John Dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed Oct 09, 2013 7:59 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Back to top Go down
Chelmsfordthescapegoat

Chelmsfordthescapegoat

Posts : 2581
Join date : 2009-04-24

The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: Re: The traitor John Dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed Oct 09, 2013 8:08 pm

Can anyone confirm, did John Dunn fight in the American Civil War? 

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Back to top Go down
6pdr

6pdr

Posts : 1086
Join date : 2012-05-12
Location : NYC

The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: Re: The traitor John Dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed Oct 09, 2013 8:59 pm

Chelmsfordthescapegoat wrote:
Can anyone confirm, did John Dunn fight in the American Civil War? 

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Greaves and Knight don't mention it in their "Whose who..." book which is a collection of brief biographies but there seems to be a gap from 1853 when he married his first wife through the first half of the 60's. After that it notes he was busy importing weapons in the late 60's.

Come to think of it though, I believe Harry Flashman mentioned something about somebody resembling him on campaign...or maybe it was Maori Browne...  I mix them up in my head.
Back to top Go down
Guest
Guest



The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: Re: The traitor John Dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed Oct 09, 2013 10:18 pm

Hi ctsg/6pdr.

John Dunn's father was born in Inverness Scotland,

he emigrated to South Africa in 1820,he moved to
Natal in 1834, and died after being trampled to
death by the Elephant he was hunting in 1847. by
this time ' Jantoni ' was just 17 years old and
with no formal education, trade or skill, had to fend
for himself.as far as i am aware he never left africa,
cheers xhosa
Back to top Go down
6pdr

6pdr

Posts : 1086
Join date : 2012-05-12
Location : NYC

The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: Re: The traitor John Dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed Oct 09, 2013 10:40 pm

xhosa2000 wrote:
Hi ctsg/6pdr...as far as i am aware he never left africa
So then I take it he never fought in the Franc-Prussian war either? Wink 
Back to top Go down
impi

impi

Posts : 2308
Join date : 2010-07-02
Age : 41

The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: Re: The traitor John Dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyWed Oct 09, 2013 11:10 pm

That would have to researched! Don't dismiss it.
Back to top Go down
90th

90th

Posts : 10289
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 65
Location : Melbourne, Australia

The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: The Traitor John Dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyThu Oct 10, 2013 5:45 am

Hi 6pdr.
From memory there is a thread on here regarding J.Dunn and his family over the years . I remember reading that there was a re-union a while ago , cant tell you exactly , but I think there are more than 1,000 relatives world wide that Dunn has had something to do with !. Didnt he have 8 wives or similar ? . I've never heard of him fighting in the American Civil War or the Franco - Prussian war , I doubt he could've , as he wouldn't have had the time to create what he did in Sth Africa .
Cheers 90th .
Back to top Go down
6pdr

6pdr

Posts : 1086
Join date : 2012-05-12
Location : NYC

The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: Re: The traitor John Dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyThu Oct 10, 2013 7:51 am

90th wrote:
Hi 6pdr.
From memory there is a thread on here regarding J.Dunn and his family over the years . I remember reading that there was a re-union a while ago , cant tell you exactly , but I think there are more than 1,000 relatives world wide that Dunn has had something to do with !. Didnt he have 8 wives or similar ? . I've never heard of him fighting in the American Civil War or the Franco - Prussian war ,  I doubt he could've , as he wouldn't have had the time to create what he did in Sth Africa .
Cheers 90th .
8?! You VASTLY underestimate the man. IIRC, he had 48 or 49 formal wives...depending upon whether that included the first (white) one. How could he possibly have time for travel on top of that?

He was busy building his empire in his corner of the world for the balance of his entire life...of that I am sure. Like Maori Browne, Henry Flashman is a fictional character...but they both claimed to have fought on the America frontier. WHat can I say, some of us prefer fiction. Flashman also fought in parts of Germany now that I think of it...did Maori?
Back to top Go down
90th

90th

Posts : 10289
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 65
Location : Melbourne, Australia

The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 Empty
PostSubject: The traitor john dunn   The traitor John Dunn - Page 4 EmptyThu Oct 10, 2013 8:00 am

Hi 6pdr .
Seems I left the 4 out from in front of the ' 8 ' ! Lol. Maori was in the Maori wars ( hence the name I suspect Rolling Eyes  )according to himself , did Flashman get there as well ??? LOL. No sign of Maori in Germany , but he did eat a baby once , maybe it was German !! No  No  No No .
90th Very Happy 
Back to top Go down
 
The traitor John Dunn
Back to top 
Page 3 of 4Go to page : Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: GENERAL DISCUSSION AREA-
Jump to: