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" Narrative Of The Field Operations Connected With The Zulu War Of 1879"


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PostSubject: How Reiable Is this book ?   How Realible Is This Book EmptyThu Mar 01, 2012 9:47 am

Hi Impi.
This was Pascal's Bible ! , Although I think he is a little more open minded now . Salute . I have it and think its as relaible as
can be expected considering it's put together by the Intelligence department in 1881 I think . Depends how much you are going to pay for it ? . Certainly worth having . Some good charts , maps , drawings etc etc .
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Expect ammuntion running out, NNC running and creating a gap, Durnford disobaying orders for Isandlwana.
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DB so what we saying, its not reliable because it says Durnford disobeyed orders.
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PostSubject: Re: How Realible Is This Book   How Realible Is This Book EmptyThu Mar 01, 2012 3:53 pm

impi wrote:
DB so what we saying, its not reliable because it says Durnford disobeyed orders.

No

I was just saying some of the mistakes it had. That being one of them. I've never read the book, just
seen Snooks coments on it. Morris based his book on that, can see how relible his book was.



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So your comments about this book are not your own, but that of Col: Mike Snook.

The book was complied by "British Intelligence department in 1881" two years after the event, not 133 years after.
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The book describes how a large body of NNC poistioned between the guns broke and fled leaving a gap 300 yards wide
that the Zulus poured into.

The truth

No NNC were near the guns, surly at least on of the survivors would have mentioned this if it happened ? Curling ?
Why do standing orders mention NNC to be kept no were no the centre.

We know there was no ammo problem, its a myth.



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No one really knows where the NNC were.
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No one really knows where the NNC were.

Not between the guns !



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Your source please.
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littlehand wrote:
Your source please.

The fact not one person, even Curling who was surving the guns mention them being there.

Who were they if they were their ?

Barry never saw his men again after they fled from the plateau.
Nourse never saw his men after they fled from the easern side of the Amatushane
Most of Erskine's men ran with Barry's. The others were else were on the line
Stafford, Murray, Krohn were all on the left of the camp some 500 to 600 meters from the gun posision.
Lonsdale's IsiGqoza is known to have been fighting along side Wardle's men some time after the crisis broke on the right.



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What is interesting in the earliest accounts of the battle - including the Narrative of Field Operations - they have little to say about ammunition supply, and instead place the blame for the defeat at the feet of the NNC, who supposedly ran away there is no prove they did, this was the Britsh using the NNC as scapegoats.
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Hi all.
I believe you need to read many books on this matter and then form your own opinions . We will never ever know what happened with 100 % accuracy , because no Imperial officers survived to tell their story , with the exception of Curling who left when the guns withdraw so he wouldnt have much idea what happened after he left . He would have been a little preoccupied looking after himself and others from the R.A. one would expect !. Snook's book is a fantastic read , but light on with footnotes , tread a little wary there for mine !. Littlehand like I said ' Narrative ' is certainly worth reading , along with WOTS , just to see what has come to light since they were printed , also it depends how much you intend to spend in buyiny the Narrative . If you wish I'll source a decent priced copy for you , no need I'd think to pay anymore than 15 or so quid .
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