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I found this photo a while ago - it might even have been here - but don't remember anything about the names of the officers (except Chelmsford of course and ..err Col. Wood?) and the context.

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Does anybody know the names of the standing officers and the man to the left. He has some resemblance to [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] but that's probably wrong.

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Dave,

Standing are (left to right) Brevet Major Matthew Gosset, 54th Regiment and Lieutenant A. B. Milne, R.N.

Seated (left to right) Commander Henry J. F. Campbell, R.N.; Lord Chelmsford; and Lieutenant-Colonel J. N. Crealock

(Source: The Washing of the Spears, Donald R. Morris)


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Well done Tom . All the best .
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Thanks a lot Petty Officer. Any chance you know the Commander's name in this photo? Since the group is described as being from HMS Active I always thought this was Campbell.

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Dave,

I see you might have an interest in the Naval Brigade. Am I correct?

Here are the names of the officers in the photograph.

Back row (left to right)
Lt. R. W. Craigie; Lt(RMLI) T. W. Dowding; Staff Surgeon H. F. Norbury; Sub-Lt. T. G. Fraser

Front row (left to right)
Boatswain J. Cotter; Midshipman L. C. Coker; Commander H. J. F. Campbell; Lt. W. des V. Hamilton; Surgeon W. Thompson.

I don't have a name for the dog.


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Mr Greaves,

Sorry, my mistake! The dog has been cropped out the photograph that was posted. It is at the feet of Commander Campbell.


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Thanks again Tom. Interesting to see Campbell's enormous evolution of facial hair. I certainly wouldn't have recognized him as the same person on these two photos. Also nice to put a face to Norbury, whom I only knew from that wonderful album which was auctioned off couple of years ago.

And yes, I think that the history of the Naval Brigade is quite fascinating. (May be a relic of too much exposure to relevant novels and films in my youth). But I currently research it because I make a modification for a computer game about the Zulu War. So I need (besides other things) some information on commanding officers and hopefully pictures of them.

Sorry about the dog. No animal cruelty was intended. I didn't even know it was there.

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thinredlineMOD,

An update on the Naval Officer seated on Chelmsford's right in this photo.

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Based on Donald Morris' "the Washing of The Spears" I identified him as Commander Campbell. However after your comment about Campbell's facial hair in other photos, I began to question who he really was.

I continued searching for another source, besides Donald Morris and found that the Killie Campbell collection, housed in the University of KwaZulu-Natal, has the same photograph among its collection on-line. The photo is labeled:

"Original Title: Lord Chelmsford, Pietermaritzburg, 1879"

"Description: Group photograph of Admiral Sullivan, Col. Crealock, Lt. Milne, Major Gossett and Lord Chelmsford."

Based on the Killie Campbell photo identification, and the fact that the photograph was taken in Pietermaritzburg, where Admiral Sullivan had gone on more than one occassion, and where Commander Campbell had not been, I am confident that the Naval Officer on Chelmsford's right is Admiral Francis W. Sullivan.


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Hi All

On finding the following photographs, I am of the opinion that the Naval Officer is Francis William Sullivan.

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