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PostSubject: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptySat Jul 07, 2012 5:44 pm

Members are bound to hear sooner or later, but I regret to advise that the Prince Imperial's memorial on the Tshotshosi River has been completely destroyed by idiots who believed there were remains buried there and were probably hoping to use them for muthi. The relevant authorities have been alerted but the memorial will need to be completely rebuilt.
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptySat Jul 07, 2012 5:52 pm

There's not much one can say, without using words of an un-censored nature. So idiots will do for now. Ken if you can, can you find out what the cost will be to restore the memorial.
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PostSubject: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptySat Jul 07, 2012 5:56 pm

Hi Ken.

This news is terrible, it just goes to show that in todays "modern society" people have no respect whatsoever. This desecration is deplorable, and I hope that the authorities catch up with these mindless morons and punish them accordingly, these sort of idiots are totally disgusting, and deserve all the punishment that the law can throw at them.

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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptySat Jul 07, 2012 6:23 pm

The words I would like to use, would just get me banned from the forum. But we must remember this isn't new, this has been going on for many years. The sad thing is, it won't stop. I happy to contribute to the restoration.
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptySat Jul 07, 2012 6:50 pm

Your absolutely right 24th. The things people do for money.
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PostSubject: Desecration Of Prince Imperial   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptySun Jul 08, 2012 1:37 am

Hi Ken.
Has it been covered in the press ? , maybe a reward will lead to the capture of these non respectful imbiciles ! , I'm sure with a cash inducement the truth will be found ! . Has anyone photographed the damage ??.
Cheers 90th. Suspect
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptySun Jul 08, 2012 8:10 am

In addition during my recent visit to isandlwana I found that one of the more remote cairns on the rocky ridge had been hollowed out from the bottom, it was reported.
The gates to the Volunteers memorial on the side of the koppie have also been stolen.

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PostSubject: Desecration of AZW graves.   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptySun Jul 08, 2012 9:54 am


Hi Ken,

The destruction of the Prince Imperial memorial at the Ityoyosi river is bad news. This type of problem is endemic in Natal and I had heard a few weeks ago that the same had happened at Fort Napier where some of my ancestors are interred. Determined to check the damage I called in there about a month ago and found that the metal thieves had been nabbed in time and under the guidance of Steve Watts, restoration was complete and the site was immaculate.

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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptySun Jul 08, 2012 11:28 am

String em up by their Goolies, over an open fire, after 3 hours give them a hot salt & VInegar Bath. Then tie their arms and legs to four horse's and set them of running. The proceeds from the entertainment would pay for the restoration of the memorial. Job done... Salute Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptySun Jul 08, 2012 11:32 am

CTSG
For once we are in agreement. Salute

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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptySun Jul 08, 2012 11:31 pm

CTSG. Only 3 hours over an open fire. Your getting soft in you old age. Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyMon Jul 09, 2012 10:01 pm

Speechless. Shocked scratch
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PostSubject: Desecration Of The Prince Imperial Monument    Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyTue Jul 10, 2012 5:01 am

All .
I see the Intombe River gravesite was damaged last month according to the article in the Witness . :evil: :evil: :evil: .
Cheers 90th.
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PostSubject: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyWed Jul 11, 2012 9:22 pm

Is it just the memorial that has been destroyed, or have the graves of abel and rogers been vandalised as well?
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyWed Jul 11, 2012 11:11 pm

It appears it was just the Princes Memorial. The cross as you see in the photo was broken in half. As luck as it, it was just a replica and not the original. Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyWed Jul 11, 2012 11:56 pm

A suggestion has been made that a reward is offered leading to the arrest of those responsible. The SAMHS KZN Branch will discuss this at our monthly meeting tomorrow night. We have been offered a repository for money collected to restore the memorial or for a reward if agreed to. I'll advise members of the Forum as soon as possible.
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyThu Jul 12, 2012 8:37 am

Hi all

After an eventual recovery, he will be sacked new, everyone knows ...

So it is useless ...

This is politics for the blacks of South Africa, like those of the former Rhodesia ...

Cheers

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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyThu Jul 12, 2012 8:50 am

Oh I forgot...

If you want to find money fast for the restauration of..., go on forums that exist for fans of the first and second French empires, there are many fans who could send you lots of money...
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyThu Jul 12, 2012 8:55 am

Another thing, can beings, that the people of Farnborough, a small town in Hampshire, south-west England, could help financially ...
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyThu Jul 12, 2012 10:10 am

Pascal are you posting in he right section.
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyThu Jul 12, 2012 11:03 am

If you want money for a restoration of the monument vandalized, of which you know I must be the right place ...

Another idea ...

All, you contact the French embassies in your countries, to explain the matter and see if it can help ...
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I think it will all be done, bu those who care.


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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyThu Jul 12, 2012 1:03 pm

You may also trap, with bodytraps, all monuments threatened ...

In France, too, is the custom of sacager the graves of the Jews and also of the Muslims or German soldiers of the two world wars, as last week, when German Chancellor have come to Paris ... the graves of German soldiers in World War I, were vandalized by a band of son of a bitch ...
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyThu Jul 12, 2012 7:20 pm

Sadly it seems to be a world wide problem . Happens here in Romania too . Many old graves had porcelain pictures of the occupants and many have had the faces erased . Morons in every country.
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyFri Jul 13, 2012 6:33 am

Yes, but all of this is politics is to create an intercommunitary war, while communitarianism is normally forbidden in France, by cons for south africa, it's like in the former Rhodesia, it is simply to make from all white, they want even ruining everything that goes with it, the process is irreversible, because the black south Africa, have not a short memories ...

But without the white, south africa is lost ...
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyFri Jul 13, 2012 4:48 pm

Brass plaque on the memorial in our church containing the names of local soldiers of the parish who gave their lives in the Great War, WW2 and lately the Gulf was stolen by metal thieves.
It is a lack of respect thing. Unbelievable. I'm not a violent man so don't concur with some of the suggestions on here, but many parents these days have no interest in bringing up their offspring - this is where the problem stems.
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyFri Jul 13, 2012 10:20 pm

, but many parents these days have no interest in bringing up their offspring - this is where the problem stems.[/quote]

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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyFri Jul 13, 2012 11:04 pm

Personally I am highly susceptible and can become extremely violent in no time, but the graves are sacred and I never touch a grave, even that of a German soldier, for example ...

Those who do that have an empty head ...

Thank you gods, it seems that in France, the graves of Allied soldiers from both world wars never be desecrated, except those of Muslim or Jewish soldiers of the French army, this because there, in all countries of continental Europe, because of the economic crisis, a terrible rise of nationalism and thus racism and antisemitism ...
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptySat Jul 14, 2012 11:36 am

TOWERBOY wrote:
, but many parents these days have no interest in bringing up their offspring - this is where the problem stems.

:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: [/quote]

Apologies if the comment hit home and hurt you towerboy, they weren't meant to offend anyone in a personal way.
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptySat Jul 14, 2012 11:57 am

No apoligies needed Tasker, nothing hit home or hurt me, other members problems are they own and are free to comment on them Wink
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tasker224 wrote:
Brass plaque on the memorial in our church containing the names of local soldiers of the parish who gave their lives in the Great War, WW2 and lately the Gulf was stolen by metal thieves.
It is a lack of respect thing. Unbelievable. I'm not a violent man so don't concur with some of the suggestions on here, but many parents these days have no interest in bringing up their offspring - this is where the problem stems.

Just to get the discussion back on track.
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyFri Jul 20, 2012 8:44 am

Good morning.
Several members of the Forum have contacted me and asked if they can contribute towards the restoration of the Memorial. Amafa / Heritage KwaZulu-Natal have indicated that they would appreciate such a gesture and any excess may go towards a reward for the arrest and conviction of those responsible for the desecration of the monument. The Gunners' Association will act as the conduit, pkf the Chairman of the Durban Branch, Lt Col Richard Lovell Greene, who has offered the use of his Company Trust Account.
The detals are: Chapman Dyer Inc, First National Bank Durban Main Branch, Account Number 50850621431, code 221426.
Please specify PRINCE IMPERIAL and your surname. Please e-mail me the details with your name so I can forward them to James van Vuuren of Amafa / Heritage KZN who has undertaken to acknowledge receipt. My e-mail address is [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyFri Jul 20, 2012 8:55 am

Not meaning to sound thick. This method of payment is new to me, how does it work, do we send a cheque to these people scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyFri Jul 20, 2012 9:01 am

I don't think that a cheque would be possible. I understand that it can be done on line otherwise may I suggest that you discuss the best method with your bank?
Regards, Ken
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I suggest that you discuss the best method with your bank?
Will pop in lunchtime. Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyFri Jul 20, 2012 10:14 am

There really ought to be one recognised and easy to contribute to, charitable trust for this kind of thing, run by the SA government, heritage people or veterans.
For example, we have the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, CWGC, but I am not sure if they would be able to help with this one.
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyFri Jul 20, 2012 2:13 pm

Hi all

The culprits will be arrested one day they?

They risk it?

There are some who have been arrested for this kind of case?

Cheers

Pascal
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyFri Jul 20, 2012 2:35 pm

The suggestion has been made that a reward is offered to the local (impoverished) community in the hope that someone will spill the beans so the authorities can put a stop to this once and for all.

Regards, Ken
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyFri Jul 20, 2012 3:16 pm

Its there any suggestion, it's from a local community...
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PostSubject: Re: Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument   Desecration of Prince Imperial Monument EmptyFri Jul 20, 2012 10:35 pm

Why not contact the embassy of France in South Africa asking for financial assistance, as it is to restore a monument to a French ...

Forum members resident in South Africa could do that easily ...

They have nothing to lose in case of failure.

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