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PostSubject: Did you know ? At Isandhlwana...   Did you know ?  At Isandhlwana... EmptyMon Aug 27, 2012 7:52 am

Hi all

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One third of the 1/24th enlisted before 1870 (this includes almost all the NCOs).

A second third of the 1/24th enlisted in the 1/24th in the year 1874, when the battalion was brought up to strength when it moved from Gibraltar to Cape Town (200 of these men had transferred from the 2/24th and were therefore old soldiers).

The third third of the 1/24th enlisted between 1874 and June 1877.

There was no soldier in the 1/24th with less than 18 months’ service. It was a seasoned battalion consisting almost entirely of old soldiers.



10% of the 2/24th enlisted prior to 1872.

30% of the 2/24th enlisted 1872-1874.

20% of the 2/24th enlisted 1875/6.

40% of the 2/24th enlisted in the year 1877.

There was no soldier in the 2/24th with less than 18 months’ service. It was a young but experienced battalion with a hard core (incl. the NCOs) of old soldiers.



Theses records of enlistment of soldiers of both battalions in Brecon and the pay lists and muster rolls of both battalions are examined at the National Archives in Kew for me by a English friend ... The above figures come from those statistics.

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The post reads as though you s telling us that.
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yes, but there are no errors?
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Hi Pascal.

Well, according to Ian Knight, by the time of the start of the AZW, neither battalion of the 24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment had ever been to Brecon, and following the destruction of the 1/24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment at iSandlwana, replacements were hurried out from drafts appointed from no fewer than eleven line battalions of very mixed origins. This would mean that the replacements were seasoned troops from other battalions, and not newly trained troops fresh from their training depots, they would most likely have been drafted and re-badged from their original regiments into the 1/24th (2nd Warwickshire) regiment, to make up for the losses suffered at iSandlwana.

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PostSubject: Re: Did you know ? At Isandhlwana...   Did you know ?  At Isandhlwana... EmptySat Nov 10, 2012 1:17 pm

Hi Mr M. Cooper

Yes, the brave 24 th regiment remained a regiment of veterans, despite the disaster, but at this time, all the uniforms of all his mens are in good condition ??? ...

Or the three companies that are not entries in zululand in January have kept their rags ...

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Hi Pascal.

It would be most likely that the replacement troops would have equipment and uniforms in good condition, however, the men who remained at RD would have had to use the raggy uniforms that they stood up in at the time, and whatever equipment that they could make use of or salvage. I think some of them only had a blanket to wrap around them at night, and most would have slept (or tried to sleep), with very little or no shelter from the elements.

Which three companies are you refering to Pascal?

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PostSubject: Re: Did you know ? At Isandhlwana...   Did you know ?  At Isandhlwana... EmptySat Nov 10, 2012 6:01 pm

Hi Martin

The three companies of the 1/24 th not in zululand the 22 January.

The 22 January, the uniforms of the 2/24 th are in good condition and those of the MI of the two battalions of 24 th are brand new ...

But at the same date,the 22 January, those of 1/24 th are in tatters ...

And with the renforts for the 1/24 th, they are also new uniforms for the three companies of the 1/24 th not in zululand the 22 January ?

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