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PostSubject: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyWed Oct 24, 2012 10:09 am

Hi all

They had 36 patients at RD, how could to walk and even combattres ?

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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyWed Oct 24, 2012 7:06 pm

It's amazing how quick some people get better, when they know others are on there way to kill them. The fact is nearly all of those bed ridden before the battle were able to fight when the chips were down.
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyThu Oct 25, 2012 7:42 am

Hi 24 th

Yeah, so you think there were a maximun of "shots in the ass "in the hospital of Rorke's Drift ,the day of the attack ?...

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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyThu Oct 25, 2012 4:39 pm

24th wrote:
It's amazing how quick some people get better, when they know others are on there way to kill them. The fact is nearly all of those bed ridden before the battle were able to fight when the chips were down.

Apart from poor Sgt MAxfield.
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyThu Oct 25, 2012 4:47 pm

Hi Tasker224

Yes it is true that he was pretty bad shape, but there must be others ?

There has not even a list of RD patients who have not been able to fight effectively, given their weakness?

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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyThu Oct 25, 2012 6:43 pm

This is true Pascal. I only know of Maxfield but i would imagine the non fighters from the hospital are not listed as such, but I am sure the information if it exists, would be hidden in the depths of Robert Jones, Henry Hook et al's accounts.
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyThu Oct 25, 2012 7:47 pm

The strength of the garrison was: Royal Engineers, Lieut Chard and one man; 24th Foot, Lieut Bromhead and 109 other ranks, of whom 22 were ill; other units, 27 of whom 13 were sick, giving a total of 139 of whom 35 were sick, but of the latter 15 were walking patients and could help, that is, 120 to man the post. In the barricaded rooms in the house there were six able-bodied men, four walking patients and twenty bed patients.
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyFri Oct 26, 2012 7:13 am

Hello and thank you Littlehand

Remains only know what suffering every patient who fought and his identity ...

Note that there were 36 patients (Not 37 patients), because Bourne 's Roll is specific in not naming Corporal Carl Scammell 2/3rd NNC as a hospital patient

In all, there were a minimum of 154 men at RD and a maximum of 157men ( not 139 ) and not 158 men ,because the servant of Smith fled before the arrival of the Zulu ...

All this is very important to study RD, because in this type of battle ,in such situation, each man is vital.

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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyFri Oct 26, 2012 10:11 am

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Pascal is correct, I'm afraid. There were certainly 154 defenders (and possibly another 3). Regarding hospital patients the exact figure is simply not known - 25 have so far been positively identified as being in hospital and probably 11 others, making 36.
Have a look at Holme's work for a discussion about numbers and the various rolls. Then supplement this with Lee Stevenson's Rorke's Drift book on a case-by-case basis.
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PostSubject: Patients at Rorkes Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyFri Oct 26, 2012 10:37 am


Hi tasker,
Maxfield or Maxwell?
Tpr Lugg,NMP was one of the RD walking patients, albeit with only one leg. His left knee injury had in fact occurred when he was bucked from his mount on his way up from central Natal with Mansel's column of NMP. Then, later whilst crossing the drift on horseback, post the attack on Sirahayo's kraal, his mount missed a footing crossing the river and the same knee was hurt again when the falling horse threw him against a boulder in the water.
Pictures of Lugg in later life show him standing on his good right leg and resting the left knee.

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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyFri Oct 26, 2012 11:28 am

Lots were not considered as suitable for fighting in Zululand the January 22 ...

But as if by magic, they found all their capabilities at RD, as the three policemen present, for example ... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyFri Oct 26, 2012 5:23 pm

I was referring to Sgt Robert Maxfield, Barry. scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyFri Oct 26, 2012 5:32 pm

Sgt Robert Maxfield of the 24 th Foot...
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptySat Oct 27, 2012 7:43 am

Yes, this is one, it is one of the patients, which was really sick ...
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptySat Oct 27, 2012 10:27 am

I have read accounts which state Maxfield was burned to death, but others where it states he was speared while in his bed.
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptySat Oct 27, 2012 1:16 pm

Yeah, it is alway the same with military history, even eyewitnesses, the early sources have different stories, perhaps, he suffered the two , strokes spears and after the fire...
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptySat Oct 27, 2012 4:48 pm

All the primary sources, i.e. the eye-witness accounts by the men who were in the hospital at the end WITH Maxfield, state consistently that they dressed Maxfield with the intention of getting him out. When the last of the remaining patients was moved and only Maxfield was left, Pte. Robert Jones went back for him. On entering the room he saw Maxfield being stabbed in his bed and so fled. Maxfield's body would then have been burnt in the fire of the hospital. All different versions of Maxfield's demise are third-hand (or worse) hearsay and inaccurate.
Readers should look at Lee Stevenson's excellent Rorke's Drift By Those Who Were There which collates all the primary sources relating to this incident.
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptySat Oct 27, 2012 5:54 pm

So I was right, matter of logic ...
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyMon Dec 10, 2012 4:57 pm

There were only 12 patients,really unfit:

MAXFIELD, MAYER, BECKETT, HORRIGAN, JENKINS, HOWARD CONNOLLY, ADAMS, GREEN, HUNTER, LEWIS and THE AFRICAN behalf unknown.
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyMon Dec 10, 2012 7:17 pm

I quoted those unable to fight ...Not all the " patients"...
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Subject: Re: Non-combatants of Rorke's Drift   Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:47 pm
good evening

I'll make the 139 defenders of Rorke's Drift and the dog named pipe because they are too good, the good guys ...

What I think is certain is that of 35 patients in the hospital, there are 30 who had not the strength to fight. I represent by figures lying in bed?

But then, what color regulations are the covers of hospital beds in the British army in 1879?

Thank you and good night

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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyMon Dec 10, 2012 8:32 pm

Ray 63

there was a flow of water under the bridge since the Sat Jan 07, 2012 at 7:47 pm ...

Now I know they were 157 men at RD + and the dog named pipe.

There were 36 patients and 12 among them were unfit for combat ...

Total 145 fighters +the dog named pipe.

Good night

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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyMon Dec 10, 2012 8:34 pm

Get in there pascal, your like a British Bull Dog
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyMon Dec 10, 2012 8:44 pm

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The Bretons were among the first inhabitants of Great - Britain after the iberes and they swelled the dogs of war of the Roman army and the roman soldiers...
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PostSubject: Patients at RD hospital    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyTue Dec 11, 2012 5:33 am



Hi All,

Three NMP troopers were inmates at the RD hospital on the night 22/01.
These were Lugg, Green and Hunter. All were l "walking wounded", but were all very much combatant that night in the defence.
Hunter succumbed to an assegai thrust whilst moving between buildings but killed his Zulu attacker with a shot from his revolver, before himself expiring.
Green suffered a wound to the face, but survived.
Lugg, who had a knee injury to his left leg, of course did more than his share of the defence and lived on to fight many other battles. In this fight at RD he earned the sobriquet, in Zulu, " Qwazamazulu". A name which carried considerable respect from the Zulu's and remained with him for the rest of his life. Literally translated, it means stab the Zulu.

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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyTue Dec 11, 2012 7:16 am

Hi all

Hunter and Green are among the 12 patients non-combatants from my list above, even if Hunter had a revolver and he killed a Zulu at the output of the Hospital ...

Hunter had this revolver because he was a policeman and it was easier and more logical for a policeman to have arevolver, that for an imperial infantryman ...

He hoped certainly defend until the last moment with this revolver because he was too weak to use a MH ...

But in all cases these two, certainly not ever fought...

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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyTue Dec 11, 2012 11:39 am

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Your sources are way out of date. There were not 139 men present as Pascal states. There was NOT a dog called Pip either - this was an invention/assumption of Morris's based on the famous photo, and endlessly repeated in Clammer, Lloyd, Giese, etc., etc. We have no idea whose dog is pictured, what its name was, nor when it turned up. Morris simply thought it added human (canine) interest to his story. Dog lovers beware!
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyTue Dec 11, 2012 11:46 am

Hi Julian

I think this dog accompanied the Zulu (traveling as a future meal Very Happy ?) And was taken prisoner by the British Very Happy ...

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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyTue Dec 11, 2012 11:54 am

Careful Pascal! The British are famous dog-lovers! Cave canem!
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyTue Dec 11, 2012 12:04 pm

Yes Julian and sometimes fanatically and yet, in Chinese or Vietnamese restaurants in Great - Britain, people eat dog, without knowing it ...
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PostSubject: Patients at RD     Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyTue Dec 11, 2012 9:45 pm

I'm thinking this happens everywhere , out here we tend to think they use cats ! . In Korea , Dog meat is either classed as a delicacy or part of the staple diet , not sure which ! .
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyWed Dec 12, 2012 6:40 am

Hi Garry

Anyway the Chinese and Vietnamese puff all the animals provided they have more than two legs ...

As for cats, if you cut their head, the tips of their legs, the tip of their tail, after having emptied completely, it's like rabbit, only should be washed at high water, because there is a smell ...

Nobody will make the difference ... except the one who has prepared, who does not want to eat Very Happy

Bon appetit Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyWed Dec 12, 2012 9:57 am

Dear animal lovers
Can we paws for thought and get back to the subject in hand...
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyWed Dec 12, 2012 10:12 am

Bonjour Monsieur

What would be interesting, it would be to know exactly in making a list of what each patient " suffered "...

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PostSubject: Patients at R.D     Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyWed Dec 12, 2012 10:26 am

Hi Pascal the Rascal .
Yes , that would make a very interesting list . I dont think there is an exact list of the number of patients in the hospital or what they were suffering from . scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyWed Dec 12, 2012 10:31 am

Hi Monsieur Gary the Austrailian

A list of the exact number of patients in the hospital ? But in ES there a good start list...

Look your pm & e-mail please

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PostSubject: Patients at RD.    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyWed Dec 12, 2012 10:33 am

Hi Pascal the R .
Yes I've looked at and answered my email . Thank you . Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyWed Dec 12, 2012 10:41 am

Hi Skippy
I hope you received my pm, I feel that it Suspect
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PostSubject: On a lighter note, reward for Rorkes Drift defenders    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyWed Dec 12, 2012 12:19 pm

Hi All,

Following the success of the defence at Rorkes Drift the Britsh Government decided to show their apprecuation to the defenders by;

1) allowing them to keep their army rifles after discharge from service, and,
2) give each man a set of clothing comprising a grey back shirt and a pair of trousers ( probably to compensate for personal losses of kit experienced during the action).

However the second item went down like a lead brick in 20 fathoms and much disgust and dismay ensued amongst the men. As a result this liitle bit of doggerel appeared in an English newspaper and then circulated widely in the forces ;

There was an old soldier named Dan'el
He fought until his clothes were in rags
So the Government gave him a flannel
And also a pair of bags.

And the news went over the channel,
Through Europe it's chaff for the wags,
That we honour our heroes in flannels,
and clothe their achievements in bags.

There is a blot on our glorious annals,
Oh, who were the elderly hags,

Who suggested these charity flannels,
and ordered those beggarly bags.?

When the public it's jury empanels,
'Twil suggest , ere the interest flags,
That the Tories for skirts take the flannels
and they might put their heads in the bags.


barry


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Pascal MAHE wrote:
Hi Garry

Anyway the Chinese and Vietnamese puff all the animals provided they have more than two legs ...

As for cats, if you cut their head, the tips of their legs, the tip of their tail, after having emptied completely, it's like rabbit, only should be washed at high water, because there is a smell ...

Nobody will make the difference ... except the one who has prepared, who does not want to eat Very Happy

Bon appetit Very Happy

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Ahhh French cuisine, I love it.

Chinese dog thing is a myth. I was in Beijing in 2008 for the Olympics (not taking part) and the waiters invariably offered us "roast dog" each night for dinner.
One night we went for it, but what we got was roast duck. It is an accent / mispronounciation that has borne this myth.
When we specifically made it clear we wanted dog, the waiter told us in no uncertain terms that they didn't serve it; then he offered us braised bull's penis and goat balls!
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Hi Tasker

Braised bull's penis and goat balls! English cuisine beurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk Very Happy !

There is also to boil the boar in the mint sauce, poor beast (Asterix among the ancient Britons ...)
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Braised bull's penis and goat balls! English cuisine beurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk Very Happy !

There is also to boil the boar in the mint sauce, poor beast (Asterix among the ancient Britons ...)

No Pascal, this is Chinese cuisine! Your average English diner would never be so adventurous! We English, sadly, usually feel faint at the sight of escargots and cuisses de Grenouilles !

Pathetic!
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Well I've seen Brits eat them raw snails, they did not know he had disgorged them first, then cooking before eating them...

They thought it was eaten raw, such as some marine shell ... Very Happy

When I think about it, I want to puke ...

When I was young, I used to sell young crapaud legs, as a grenouille legs for the tourist restaurants ... Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Patients at Rorke's Drift    Patients at Rorke's Drift EmptyWed Dec 12, 2012 6:00 pm

I bet you were good too, LOL.
I will eat any French cuisine, as long as I am allowed to wash it down with a good claret!
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This is not true, do not you think that booze Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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