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PostSubject: He implored...   He implored... EmptyFri Nov 30, 2012 1:37 pm

Hi all

Please there is still no one who can tell me what are the Zulu regiments that formed the loins of 6000 warriors on 30 deep, at the battle of Ulundi ?

These beautiful regiments terrorized LC in this battle ...

He implored the celts of the 2/21 st Foot "Men ,fire faster,cant's you fire faster ?" Sad

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Littlehand .
This comment from LC is common place in all good works on Ulundi , I cant remember whether as Pascal has said , it was regarding the 2 / 21st or one of the other Regt's but it's noted in many books . I'll grab a book to check the Regt .
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PostSubject: He Implored ....   He implored... EmptySat Dec 01, 2012 12:54 am

Littlehand .
Pascal is correct the Regt involved was the 2 / 21st & Batt N , 6th RA . These were situated at the right rear corner of the Square or Rectangle it's been classified in some works . The following is from the 1st book I looked at . ' The Battle Of Ulundi ' by Paul Laband , Page 36 for those who have it . '' Lord Chelmesford himself was seriously alarmed at the situation , and riding up to the threatened angle called out ; '' Men fire faster ! Cannot you fire faster ?.
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On this side of the square at Ulundi, from right to left, there is a section of two - 9 pdrs (N / 6) - two companies of 94th Foot - two companies of 2/21 st Foot (with LC crying behind them) and even a section of two - 9 pdrs (N / 6) ...

After ,Melton Prior ,here the Zulus made their most determined assault.Melton Prior rushed to witness the attack and saw the men "heavily engaged with some zulus,said to be 6000 strong and 30 deep ".

Reserves rushed forward but the steady fire from the rear face ,supported by two artillery pieces firing case shot "made them stragger,halt and fall back...leaving a heap of dead and dying on the ground ".

Prior later noted that the nearest zulu lay only 9 paces from the square...

The topic is: "what are the Zulu regiments that formed the loins of 6000 warriors on 30 deep, at the battle of Ulundi ? "

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Pascal .
According to John Laband who quotes Wood's Staff officer Captain Edward Woodgate , the zulu force attacked in this order .
The uDloko Ibutho came straight at the front of the English square . The encircling left horn consisted of the uThulwana , iNdluyengwe , iSangqu and iMbube , and there is positive references elsewhere to the uMbonambi. The zulu right horn was made was made up of the uMxhapho , iNsukamngeni , uDududu , iQwa , uNokhenke and iNdlondlo amabutho . The INgobamakosi and uVe attacked the right rear of the square , and the uMcijo the left rear . It seems Thonga auxiliaries were also present . These , then , were the units most obviously involved . Elements of the other amabutho either went unregarded because they were few in number , or made up the reserves which never properly joined the attack on the square .
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PostSubject: Re: He implored...   He implored... EmptySat Dec 01, 2012 8:23 am

Thank you and Bravo Gary

But then part of the square, attacked, or was LC is that ?
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Pascal .
I dont know what you mean ???. If you are referring to LC's position in the square , I can tell you the noted historian John Laband
states in his book ' The Battle Of Ulundi ' '' Lord Chelmesford himself directed the musketry fire on a number of occasions , and in all must have toured the square a dozen times during the engagement ''.
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I wanted to know by what Zulu regiments had been attacked, the side of the square with LC Sad
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PostSubject: He Implored    He implored... EmptySat Dec 01, 2012 10:22 am

Pascal .
Read my post again , it says LC was in all the areas of the square at one time or another . He as I said was giving the order to fire on many instances .
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Ok Gary

According to John Laband who quotes Wood's Staff officer Captain Edward Woodgate , the zulu force attacked in this order .

The uDloko Ibutho came straight at the front of the English square .

They are the chest or the loins ? Sad

The left horn consisted of the uThulwana,the iNdluyengwe, theiSangqu and the iMbube + and can be the uMbonambi. (I bet they were ...)

The zulu right horn was made was made up of the uMxhapho , the iNsukamngeni , the uDududu , the iQwa , the uNokhenke and the iNdlondlo amabutho .

The INgobamakosi and the uVe attacked the right rear of the square ,

They are the chest or the loins ? Sad

The uMcijo attacked the left rear ,

They are the chest or the loins ? Sad

It seems Thonga auxiliaries were also present .

Thonga auxiliaries scratch ? What is the animals here scratch ?

The reserves never properly joined the attack on the square scratch ???

I pointed out that the Zulu army has 4 masses, but you give 5 scratch ???

In general, They are two Horns, the Chest and the Loins ...

Now,what was the part of the square with the 2/21stFoot ? Sad Sad Sad


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Pascal .
The 2 / 21st was the right rear of the square , I've said this in my post at 11.54 am . I would say the uDloko iButho was the loins as they did attack the front of the square , the other regt's were listed as being in the left or right horns . That's as much as I can help you with Pascal .
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PostSubject: Re: He implored...   He implored... EmptySat Dec 01, 2012 2:01 pm

Thank you once again Gary.

But After, Melton Prior, the Zulus made ​​here MOST Their Determined Prior assault.

Melton rushed to witness the attack and saw the men "heavily engaged with some Zulu,

Said to be 6000 strong deep and 30".

Gary ,the uDloko iButho not count 6000 men ?

Prior was there and he also tell bullshit ?

PS:It seems Thonga auxiliaries were also present .

Thonga auxiliaries ? What is this stuff here ?

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PostSubject: He Implored    He implored... EmptySat Dec 01, 2012 7:21 pm

Pascal .
Laband mentions the Thonga in his book , they were mentioned by Capt E.Woodgate , I dont know who they are , sorry .
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Gary, I know what it is, I have a book on the above and many other black nations who have left with them , the southern Africa to move north, I'll explain it tomorrow (if I wake me ...) because I'm lying and I have the idleness, to see ... ...

In any case, congratulations for what you told me on Ulundi, many regiments who fought versus Pearson the 22, but were no longer in battles after, still have fought at Ulundi, it makes me more regiments to manufacture ... Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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Hi Gary

Est il question , de ces thonga là , present à Ulundi ?

Tradition says the Tonga came from the north, perhaps from the Maravi people or the Tumbuka. Their claim to be a separate tribe rests only on their acceptance of a common name, the Tonga. Until the coming of the Ngoni in 1855, they had been a matrilineal people and had never possessed a centralized government.

Defeated by the Ngoni, older inhabitants remained on the land while the young were incorporated into the Ngoni fighting regiments. In 1876, the Tonga revolted against the Ngoni and lost. Survivors lived in villages on piles in Lake Nyasa or stockades on the lakeshore.


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