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PostSubject: Re: The key of the Zulu victory ?   The key of the  Zulu victory ? - Page 2 EmptyFri Mar 15, 2013 6:56 am

90 th wrote in red :

It was a major key in Certainly cleaning up the last pockets of resistance.

Very good, it allowed them to avoid terrible melee against the British bayonets, that's what I meant ...

Because when the British soldiers are shoulders against shoulders or back to back, they are unaffordable for the Zulu warriors ...

And I read in "Harry Smith's Last Throw"

"For weapons the Xhosa used the throwing spear,with which he could hit a man 70 of the time at thirty paces."

This really looks amazing and if this is true, it must be the same with the Zulu ...

If this statistic is realistic, can you imagine what could happen to Issandhlwana ?

I tell you, throwing isisjula was devastating once the defenders have abandoned their line of fire !

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And I read in "Harry Smith's Last Throw"

Pascal what Weapon did the British soldier have during Harry's time.
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Percussion musket model 1842 and 10 Minié rifles by companies ...
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Pascal MAHE wrote:

If this statistic is realistic,

This is the point Pascal, it isn't.
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70% of hits with isijula, against guys without shields, huddled against each other in the last stands , it's impossible ?
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I read that the Zulu's were throwing their own dead at the soldered to over come the bayonet. Possibly run out of "isijula"
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Pascal MAHE wrote:
70% of hits with isijula, against guys without shields, huddled against each other in the last stands , it's impossible ?

Yes, impossible, because the figure you refer to concerns the Xhosa whose throwing spears and skills were not comparable to the Zulu. (Figures I doubt in any case).
Also, the Xhosa were not fighting the battle of iSandlwana.
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Tasker ,the Zulu were less talented than the Xhosa, to throw javelins :scratch

24 th ,throughout the battle you can retrieve many javelins, for re-throwing Very Happy
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"For a while, the 24th put up a stubborn resistance on the saddle, and their firing was so fierce that the Zulus hung back. Gradually, however, their ammunition was exhausted, and there was no hope of obtaining fresh supplies. Still maintaining some semblance of company formation, the 24th stood back to back, holding the Zulus at bay with a bristling hedge of bayonets. At least one company was pushed over the saddle, and retired fighting down the Manzimnyama valley, only to be brought up short on the banks of the stream itself, nearly a mile from the camp. Another, Captain Younghusband’s company, tried to defend a shoulder of Isandlwana itself, until lack of ammunition forced them to try and join the others on the saddle below. Here, the Zulus gradually broke up the British formations, throwing spears at them until gaps appeared, then rushing in with their stabbing spears. In the last moment of the battle, the killing achieved levels of primeval savagery, as soldiers, unable to escape, fought on with clubbed rifles, fists, knives, and even stones. “Those red soldiers”, recalled one warrior, “how few they were, and how they fought; they fell like stones, each man in his place”. Amidst the noise, smoke and confusion, nature added an apocalyptic touch of her own; there was a partial eclipse of the sun, and an eerie half-light passed over the battlefield."
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Yes well,very good ,also given the kind of Rascals who constituted the two battalions of the 24 th, it was better to avoid the melee as much as possible or the zulus, that the interest of theirs isisjula
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Yeah LC was super negligent, what Mongoose :p;:
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