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"Of particular interest is the Report by Bromhead who was sent with a detachment to clean up the site of Isandlwhana which had lain abandoned by the British and Zulus for 6 months. The bodies of the soldiers and Zulus were found desiccated by the conditions and a detailed map shows exactly where the mass graves were dug and how many soldiers, by regiment, and Zulus were buried in each.
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This detailed map of where the bodies were buried. Is this some new, or has Bromheads map / Report been posted prior to this disccussion.

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PostSubject: A very interesting Collection   A very interesting collection. EmptySun Jul 28, 2013 12:56 pm

Ray a long time ago I posted Alfred Boast's report , regarding his party's burial of the bones at Isandlawana.
Type Alfred Boast in the search box and you should find it . I'm fairly certain the Bromhead burial detail was much later .
The Bromhead involved in the burials at Isandlwana is not Gonville Bromhead of RD fame , it was his brother from memory ,
C.J.Bromhead Brvt - Maj 2 / 24th , happy to be corrected .
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This from ' Companion To The Zulu War ' by Ian Knight .
'' On June 20th Lt - Col Black led a party of 80 dragoons , 140 2 / 24th , 360 Border Guards and 50 men of Teteluku's Horse from RD to Isandlwana . They were accompanied by Maj Dartnell and representitives of the Natal Volunteers , Large numbers of the 24th were buried in shallow graves and stones piled over the bodies '' . Ian goes on to say '' By September the reports of troops passing the site of bodies exposed by the rain persuaded Sir George Colley , then Chief Of Staff in South Africa , to dispatch a party under Bvt - Maj CJ Bromhead - Gonville's brother - to tidy the site . Bromhead and two Co's of the 2 /24 th camped at Isandlwana on the 19th Sept and carefully searched the field . Those graves which were disintergrating were rebuilt and a number of outling bodies , missed by the earlier details , were also interred . Bromhead insrtucted his men to build 3 large Cairns on the spots where he judged the 24th's resistance to have been the greatest ''.
Nevertheless , the haste with which the early buriels had been completed meant that graves continued to wash open . In March 1880 Lt.M. O'connell of the 60th Rifles was sent to Isandlwana accompanied by a detatchment of the NMP . O'Connell found that on the slopes which drained into the dongas many graves had become disturbed . His methods in redress were nothing if not practical . Seems I was incorrect earlier , as I thought CJ Bromhead undertook his burial task after Boast , but Boast , did indeed take his turn at Isandlwana , well after CJ.Bromhead , it wasnt until 15th Feb 1883.
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Mainwarings Map 1879, published 1880.A very interesting collection. Mainwaringa_zps398e0981.jpg
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PostSubject: Re: A very interesting collection.   A very interesting collection. EmptySun Jul 28, 2013 9:40 pm

littlehand,ray63,and 90th,
the above post should of
contained images of a map
i have by Lt Mainwaring 2nd 24th
commissioned by the intelligence
dept.
it says at the top..
Sketch Map of Isandhlwana showing
the positions of the Graves of those
who fell and were buried.by Lieut
Mainwaring 2nd 24th. 13-11-1879

Sorry about the Images.despite the
welcome nudge by kwajimu it still
has not penetrated regards Les.
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Hi xhosa2000.
Sorry , I cant open the link You need to study mo 
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90th. I'm guessing thats why Pete has posted the infoe reference photobucket, i think we have all posted the wrong link in the past! Its the image code that is required!

I would love to see the map!!!!!Salute 
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Impi I saw Pete's post but I'm still none the wiser , unfortunately I'm getting ready to go to work so I dont have the time to look for Mainwaring's map , I'm not sure I even have it or remember seeing it ! . If anyone can tell me which book its in ,or indeed if its in a book , it will be much appreciated . I've checked ' Hill Of The Sphinx ' by FWD Jackson and it isnt there .
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Mainwarings map 13/11/1879
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Sketch Map of isandlwana showing the positions of those that fell and were buried.

Pretty sure its on the forum .Unfortunatly I dont have the facility to post it.

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At last Ive figured out how to post images, I hope!
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Nice one springbok,i sent my images to admin
but that will do nicely..

90th..its an actual map printed by the British Army
Intelligence Dept. it looks good in its frame.
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The Mainwaring map is in Atkinson's History of the South Wales Borderers page 332.

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PostSubject: A Very Intersting Collection   A very interesting collection. EmptyMon Jul 29, 2013 12:27 pm

Hi xhosa .
I do remember that Mainwaring drew a map but I dont think I have it , although , I have that many books , it may be in one of them I'd think ! . Agreed , it certainly would look good in a frame Salute . I checked the ' Narrative of Operations ' of the zulu war and FWD Jackson's ' Hill Of The Sphinx ' it isnt in either . I'll go through a few more books and see if I can find it . Salute 
Hi Rusteze.
Unfortunately for me I dont have the Atkinson book . Thanks for the heads up much appreciated . Salute 
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As a matter of interest from memory these are maps that were drawn.
Anstey
Mainwaring
Hamer x 3
Boast
James
Symons
Essex
Gardner
Hlubi
Norris Newman.

Have I missed any?

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Hiya all,thanks for that 90th and you springbok9,
yeah i have Atkinson a very nice copy, i have tried
to get all ist eds i could on the 24th and i think i
have succeeded, with the exception of Paton Glennie
and Penn Symons. had to make do with the dp&g
reprint.

The thing is i forgot the map was in Atkinson but my
map is not out of a book its the real deal printed in
1880 and circulated to god knows..i got mine from a
well known bookseller in York along with a Blue Book
and a few Parliamentary Papers on such things as Sir
Garnet Wolsleys review of the conduct of the Troops
in South Africa, the Detention and the Restoration of
Cetshwayo.and sadly. a review of the sentence of 11
Natives ( their words ) to death in Natal.( during the
Bhambata Rebellion.) Admin if you still have those
images could you please post the one of the map
framed so 90th can see it. cheers all Les.

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Hi xhosa
Thanks , looking forward to Pete sending it to me . I also have the Parliamentary papers with Wolseley's report on the conduct of the troops during the war agree . Again thanks xhosa .
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Thank you. regards Les.
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Hi Pete .
Thanks for posting the photo .
Hi xhosa .
Thank you for asking Pete to post it for me on your behalf , now I want one as well ! Very Happy  Very Happy. I see what you mean when you said it looked very good framed . agree  
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Certainly looks impressive! agree 
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90th, mr greaves, thanks.
i cant remember how much
i paid for it (nearly 10 yrs
ago) but i suspect i got a
bargain..it could not have
been that prohibitive as i'm
not in a position to flash the
cash on everything i see\want.
regards Les.
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