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littlehand

Posts : 7077 Join date : 2009-04-24 Age : 53 Location : Down South.
 | Subject: A very interesting collection. Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:57 am | |
| http://www.antiquarianauctions.com/lots/the-zulu-wars-and-the-transvaal-1877-1890
"Of particular interest is the Report by Bromhead who was sent with a detachment to clean up the site of Isandlwhana which had lain abandoned by the British and Zulus for 6 months. The bodies of the soldiers and Zulus were found desiccated by the conditions and a detailed map shows exactly where the mass graves were dug and how many soldiers, by regiment, and Zulus were buried in each. |
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Ray63

Posts : 706 Join date : 2012-05-05
 | Subject: Re: A very interesting collection. Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:58 am | |
| This detailed map of where the bodies were buried. Is this some new, or has Bromheads map / Report been posted prior to this disccussion.
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90th

Posts : 10483 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 66 Location : Melbourne, Australia
 | Subject: A very interesting Collection Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:56 pm | |
| Ray a long time ago I posted Alfred Boast's report , regarding his party's burial of the bones at Isandlawana. Type Alfred Boast in the search box and you should find it . I'm fairly certain the Bromhead burial detail was much later . The Bromhead involved in the burials at Isandlwana is not Gonville Bromhead of RD fame , it was his brother from memory , C.J.Bromhead Brvt - Maj 2 / 24th , happy to be corrected . 90th. |
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90th

Posts : 10483 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 66 Location : Melbourne, Australia
 | Subject: A very interesting collection Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:32 pm | |
| This from ' Companion To The Zulu War ' by Ian Knight . '' On June 20th Lt - Col Black led a party of 80 dragoons , 140 2 / 24th , 360 Border Guards and 50 men of Teteluku's Horse from RD to Isandlwana . They were accompanied by Maj Dartnell and representitives of the Natal Volunteers , Large numbers of the 24th were buried in shallow graves and stones piled over the bodies '' . Ian goes on to say '' By September the reports of troops passing the site of bodies exposed by the rain persuaded Sir George Colley , then Chief Of Staff in South Africa , to dispatch a party under Bvt - Maj CJ Bromhead - Gonville's brother - to tidy the site . Bromhead and two Co's of the 2 /24 th camped at Isandlwana on the 19th Sept and carefully searched the field . Those graves which were disintergrating were rebuilt and a number of outling bodies , missed by the earlier details , were also interred . Bromhead insrtucted his men to build 3 large Cairns on the spots where he judged the 24th's resistance to have been the greatest ''. Nevertheless , the haste with which the early buriels had been completed meant that graves continued to wash open . In March 1880 Lt.M. O'connell of the 60th Rifles was sent to Isandlwana accompanied by a detatchment of the NMP . O'Connell found that on the slopes which drained into the dongas many graves had become disturbed . His methods in redress were nothing if not practical . Seems I was incorrect earlier , as I thought CJ Bromhead undertook his burial task after Boast , but Boast , did indeed take his turn at Isandlwana , well after CJ.Bromhead , it wasnt until 15th Feb 1883. 90th. |
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Guest Guest
 | Subject: Re: A very interesting collection. Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:43 pm | |
| Mainwarings Map 1879, published 1880.  |
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 | Subject: Re: A very interesting collection. Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:40 pm | |
| littlehand,ray63,and 90th, the above post should of contained images of a map i have by Lt Mainwaring 2nd 24th commissioned by the intelligence dept. it says at the top.. Sketch Map of Isandhlwana showing the positions of the Graves of those who fell and were buried.by Lieut Mainwaring 2nd 24th. 13-11-1879
Sorry about the Images.despite the welcome nudge by kwajimu it still has not penetrated regards Les. |
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90th

Posts : 10483 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 66 Location : Melbourne, Australia
 | Subject: A Very Interesting Collection Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:13 pm | |
| Hi xhosa2000. Sorry , I cant open the link Cheers 90th |
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impi

Posts : 2308 Join date : 2010-07-02 Age : 42
 | Subject: Re: A very interesting collection. Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:26 pm | |
| 90th. I'm guessing thats why Pete has posted the infoe reference photobucket, i think we have all posted the wrong link in the past! Its the image code that is required! I would love to see the map!!!!! |
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90th

Posts : 10483 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 66 Location : Melbourne, Australia
 | Subject: A very interesting collection Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:41 pm | |
| Impi I saw Pete's post but I'm still none the wiser , unfortunately I'm getting ready to go to work so I dont have the time to look for Mainwaring's map , I'm not sure I even have it or remember seeing it ! . If anyone can tell me which book its in ,or indeed if its in a book , it will be much appreciated . I've checked ' Hill Of The Sphinx ' by FWD Jackson and it isnt there . 90th |
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Frank Allewell

Posts : 8278 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 75 Location : Cape Town South Africa
 | Subject: Re: A very interesting collection. Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:02 am | |
| Mainwarings map 13/11/1879 Title Sketch Map of isandlwana showing the positions of those that fell and were buried.
Pretty sure its on the forum .Unfortunatly I dont have the facility to post it.
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Frank Allewell

Posts : 8278 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 75 Location : Cape Town South Africa
 | Subject: Re: A very interesting collection. Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:34 am | |
| At last Ive figured out how to post images, I hope! Mainwarings map [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] |
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 | Subject: Re: A very interesting collection. Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:07 am | |
| Nice one springbok,i sent my images to admin but that will do nicely..
90th..its an actual map printed by the British Army Intelligence Dept. it looks good in its frame. cheers all. |
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rusteze

Posts : 2872 Join date : 2010-06-02
 | Subject: Re: A very interesting collection. Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:05 pm | |
| The Mainwaring map is in Atkinson's History of the South Wales Borderers page 332.
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90th

Posts : 10483 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 66 Location : Melbourne, Australia
 | Subject: A Very Intersting Collection Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:27 pm | |
| Hi xhosa . I do remember that Mainwaring drew a map but I dont think I have it , although , I have that many books , it may be in one of them I'd think ! . Agreed , it certainly would look good in a frame  . I checked the ' Narrative of Operations ' of the zulu war and FWD Jackson's ' Hill Of The Sphinx ' it isnt in either . I'll go through a few more books and see if I can find it . Hi Rusteze. Unfortunately for me I dont have the Atkinson book . Thanks for the heads up much appreciated . Cheers 90th. |
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Frank Allewell

Posts : 8278 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 75 Location : Cape Town South Africa
 | Subject: Re: A very interesting collection. Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:18 pm | |
| As a matter of interest from memory these are maps that were drawn. Anstey Mainwaring Hamer x 3 Boast James Symons Essex Gardner Hlubi Norris Newman.
Have I missed any?
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 | Subject: Re: A very interesting collection. Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:29 pm | |
| Hiya all,thanks for that 90th and you springbok9, yeah i have Atkinson a very nice copy, i have tried to get all ist eds i could on the 24th and i think i have succeeded, with the exception of Paton Glennie and Penn Symons. had to make do with the dp&g reprint.
The thing is i forgot the map was in Atkinson but my map is not out of a book its the real deal printed in 1880 and circulated to god knows..i got mine from a well known bookseller in York along with a Blue Book and a few Parliamentary Papers on such things as Sir Garnet Wolsleys review of the conduct of the Troops in South Africa, the Detention and the Restoration of Cetshwayo.and sadly. a review of the sentence of 11 Natives ( their words ) to death in Natal.( during the Bhambata Rebellion.) Admin if you still have those images could you please post the one of the map framed so 90th can see it. cheers all Les.
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90th

Posts : 10483 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 66 Location : Melbourne, Australia
 | Subject: A Very Interesting Collection Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:47 am | |
| Hi xhosa Thanks , looking forward to Pete sending it to me . I also have the Parliamentary papers with Wolseley's report on the conduct of the troops during the war  . Again thanks xhosa . Cheers 90th. |
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ADMIN

Posts : 4302 Join date : 2008-11-01 Age : 63 Location : KENT
 | Subject: Re: A very interesting collection. Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:15 pm | |
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 | Subject: Re: A very interesting collection. Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:23 pm | |
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90th

Posts : 10483 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 66 Location : Melbourne, Australia
 | Subject: A very interesting collection Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:58 am | |
| Hi Pete . Thanks for posting the photo . Hi xhosa . Thank you for asking Pete to post it for me on your behalf , now I want one as well !  . I see what you mean when you said it looked very good framed . Cheers 90th. |
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Mr Greaves

Posts : 747 Join date : 2009-10-18
 | Subject: Re: A very interesting collection. Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:55 am | |
| Certainly looks impressive! |
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 | Subject: Re: A very interesting collection. Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:05 pm | |
| 90th, mr greaves, thanks. i cant remember how much i paid for it (nearly 10 yrs ago) but i suspect i got a bargain..it could not have been that prohibitive as i'm not in a position to flash the cash on everything i see\want. regards Les. |
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