Zulu: Lieutenant John Chard:What's our strength? Lieutenant Gonville Bromhead:Seven officers including surgeon, commissaries and so on; Adendorff now I suppose; wounded and sick 36, fit for duty 97 and about 40 native levies. Not much of an army for you
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Posts : 2066 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 64 Location : Lower Sheering, Essex
Subject: The Zulu Surrender, 1st September 1879 Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:14 pm
Possibly one of the most poignant photographs I have in my collection.
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Taken by an unknown photographer accompanying Wolseley's force at Ulundi, 1st September 1879.
JY
Frank Allewell
Posts : 7450 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 73 Location : Cape Town South Africa
Subject: Re: The Zulu Surrender, 1st September 1879 Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:55 pm
Fully agree. John have you managed to put any names to the Zulus?
Regards
John Young
Posts : 2066 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 64 Location : Lower Sheering, Essex
Subject: Re: The Zulu Surrender, 1st September 1879 Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:08 pm
Springbok,
No names on the photograph, but if that line matches up with an engraving that appears in The Graphic then you are looking at Mnyamana, Ntshingwayo being amongst the group.
I showed this photograph to H.R.H. Prince M. G. Buthelezi and he was quite taken by the fact his forebear Mnyamana could have been in the photograph, as there is no recorded photograph of him.
JY
90th
Posts : 10058 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 64 Location : Melbourne, Australia
Hi John . Great photo , thanks for posting it . 90th.
Frank Allewell
Posts : 7450 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 73 Location : Cape Town South Africa
Subject: Re: The Zulu Surrender, 1st September 1879 Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:35 pm
I sat next to HRH at a fund raiser, quite a long time ago, he was a magnificent orator, raconteur. I mentioned at one point my interest in the wars. With a very large twinkle in his eyes he said," we won you know, but the British wouldnt let us tell anyone." Lovely man.
90th
Posts : 10058 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 64 Location : Melbourne, Australia
. Springy he was sort of correct , they did win on 3 occassions ! Cheers 90th. PS Who won the Rugby ?
Frank Allewell
Posts : 7450 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 73 Location : Cape Town South Africa
Subject: Re: The Zulu Surrender, 1st September 1879 Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:46 pm
Ahem............. All to play for next week, we have to beat the kiwis with a bonus point. going to be a fun day, ive got tickets so a couple of the warriors will be flying up for the game. Promises to be good fun.
Ive just completed the last two panoramas, proofs should be here next week if they look good i will start to market the set.
Cheers
impi
Posts : 2308 Join date : 2010-07-02 Age : 40
Subject: Re: The Zulu Surrender, 1st September 1879 Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:32 pm
Could it be another photo taken at the ultimatum tree.
John Young
Posts : 2066 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 64 Location : Lower Sheering, Essex
Subject: Re: The Zulu Surrender, 1st September 1879 Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:37 pm
Impi,
No it from a series of photographs taken in August/September 1879, the focus of the photographs is Wolseley's advance on Ulundi concluding with the surrender on 1st September 1879.
I did have another photograph taken at the surrender; but from another angle. In that photograph some of the topographical features are apparent and is clearly Ulundi.
JY
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Subject: Re: The Zulu Surrender, 1st September 1879 Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:48 pm
JY. is that not heartbreaking. very moving thank you. it looks to me that Ntshingwayo is the blurry central figure. what a historic image. cheers xhosa
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Subject: Re: The Zulu Surrender, 1st September 1879 Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:20 pm
John,a re-incurring thought of mine. the historic photographs of the AZW by JY. a book, large, ltd ed, £150.00 ish,i would pre order tomorrow, as i say, just a selfish thought/wish. cheers
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