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PostSubject: Re: The 21st January and the Decoy theory   The 21st January and the Decoy theory - Page 4 EmptyFri Dec 20, 2013 11:04 pm

ctsg  Very Happy  which ' Colenso's book's '?.
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No doub't all of them  Rolling Eyes 
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the heretic, the view across the river, the Zulu to English dictionary..
J W Colenso, H Colenso.. there's says a man in ignorance! dont
believe you said that.. so its true..all your ' knowledge ' is off the net!.
very disappointing. can you explain your comment in your own words
please, just so i can understand.
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xhosa2000 wrote:
the heretic, the view across the river, the Zulu to English dictionary..
J W Colenso, H Colenso..

MY CHIEF AND I by Atherton Wylde (a really good nom de plume for Francis Colenso.)
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xhosa2000 wrote:
the heretic, the view across the river, the Zulu to English dictionary..
J W Colenso, H Colenso.. there's says a man in ignorance! dont
believe you said that.. so its true..all your ' knowledge ' is off the net!.
very disappointing. can you explain your comment in your own words
please, just so i can understand.

Merely reading CTSG mind. Based on his Historical association with the Colenso books. Not to hard conclude,
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CTSG and Colenso? Something like an Escargot Curry.
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xhosa2000 wrote:
the heretic, the view across the river, the Zulu to English dictionary..
J W Colenso, H Colenso.. there's says a man in ignorance! dont
believe you said that.. so its true..all your ' knowledge ' is off the net!.
very disappointing. can you explain your comment in your own words
please, just so i can understand.

Now if I had used obscene language, I would have been suspended!
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ctsg as usual  scratch  the above comments
reveal much to me, thank you  Very Happy 
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This is why we can't have books being burned. By the time this one and that one is done choosing, there'd be very little left...and it would probably be a very boring selection.
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xhosa2000 wrote:
ctsg as usual  scratch  the above comments
reveal much to me, thank you  Very Happy 

Les. You said " Colenso" that's a bad work. Books full of lies  Rolling Eyes 
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hiya  Salute  which book's, what lie's, to whom!
just give me a flavour of your thought's please..
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Chelmsfordthescapegoat wrote:
Les. You said " Colenso" that's a bad work. Books full of lies  Rolling Eyes 

Funny, I view them as books that seek to correct them.
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This may answer your request Les.

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Hiya 6pdr seasons greetings  Salute  Dave same to you mate  Salute 
well, what can i say, i generally post with my own word's, so if i directly
quote, be sure that i have ' ran ' to primary/secondary sources! i dont
and have not..trawled this site to see what happened in past posts..
until a person directs me.ie, you Dave,so i read all the posts, it is one page.
apart from the biographical details which are historical fact, i then look at
the comments, opinion's. they are in the main woeful!!! conjecture/gossip
simply will not cut it, i understand this was 3 years ago..i say again, this
information has been in the public domain for yonk's..( ages )

just one statement, which on the face of it i find incredible! just to say were
in the last quarter of the Victorian age, on the ' surface ' morality was the key
issue of the day..divorce at that time was certain social suicide, like that awful
british sit com 'keeping up appearances ' was everything.. so when i saw this..

While in Pietermaritzburg he fell in love with Frances Ellen Colenso, (died 1887 of tuberculosis) daughter of the Anglican Bishop of Natal, the Rt. Rev. John Colenso. Their friendship was very discreet. She later wrote a book about Anthony with his brother Edward. littlehand, teus july 13.

So its about infidelity ctsg. thats just plain wrong! LC. was an efficient. kindly man, who just
got found out..he never commanded in the field again.
we can not.equate todays morality! as it applied in the period we are entranced by..

that still leaves John William and Harriet. was Durnford in favour of the African's..of course he
was..he was a humanist, against an odious repressive evil regime..not all prominent figures in
that period were what they seemed..shepstone (s) frere, Wolsley, ( before and after ) osborn,
to name but a few. in comparison people like J.W. Colenso and A.W. Durnford stand out as
beacon's of light which ultimately concluded when Madiba finished his stroll..my opinion.
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Xhosa wrote:
he was a humanist, against an odious repressive evil regime

Yet his method of dealing with the Zulu, if seen attack ? Can't get my head around why he would want to get involved in a war against the people he sympathised with? And against the morals of the Colenso family? perhaps Dunford should have traded his collar for a white one!
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There were Zulu on both sides of the Buffalo. And the black colonial cavalry fought with distinction that day. Frere wanted to remove Cetshwayo from the political and military equation. The war was not about anything else of any substance than furthering his Imperial ambitions by way of confederation. Durnford demonstrated repeatedly that he was loyal to the crown and the people who were loyal to him. There was no contradiction there whatsoever.
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Durnford had little Battle experience in his career, in fact his career was fairly dull compared to others. Poor old Durnford, scapegoated twice Bushmans pass and Isandlwana. But hey! those who pointed the accusing finger at both events were all wrong?

Loyal to the Crown. The one he won in a drinking and gambling competition!
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Merry Christmas 
Tiss the season to be jolly, ho ho ho
 Merry Christmas 

I wonder If Durnford ever played billiards with Chelmsford  Question scratch 
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It was rumoured! Personally I think it's a lot of old Balls!
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From Peter Quantrill.

"The last entry in the ‘Decoy Theory’ asked whether Durnford ever played billiards with Chelmsford?
Christmas humour may lead one to respond:
No, but at one of the many frames played at his London club, he won the game and exclaimed:
 
“At last, I have potted the black!”
 
Best wishes,
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Not a lot of people know that!!!!!
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highly dubious  Suspect 
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I don't doubt it! After potting the black wins the game!
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