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PostSubject: Lieutenant 2nd Battn. 4th (King's Own) Regiment photographed in Durban   Lieutenant 2nd Battn. 4th (King's Own) Regiment photographed in Durban EmptySun Dec 22, 2013 1:40 pm

Given the mention elsewhere of Captain H. B. Laurence, I thought I'd throw in this currently unidentified Lieutenant of 2nd/4th Regiment, photographed in full-dress in Durban.  Just in case anyone knows his identity.

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Lt. 2nd Battn, 4th (King's Own) Regiment, 1879.
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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant 2nd Battn. 4th (King's Own) Regiment photographed in Durban   Lieutenant 2nd Battn. 4th (King's Own) Regiment photographed in Durban EmptySun Dec 22, 2013 7:25 pm

Hi John.

Can't tell you who this Lieutenant is, but the 4th (King's Own Royal) Regiment is now a part of the Duke of Lancaster's Regiment (King's, Lancashire and Border), known as LANCS. The cap badge is the RED ROSE and Crown of the old Queen's Lancashire Regiment, but now surrounded with Laurel leaves, and the collar dogs are the LION OF ENGLAND, which is the Lion of the old 4th (King's Own Royal) Regiment, the motto is now Nec Aspera Terrent, meaning difficulties be damned.

There is a regimental museum in Lancaster, maybe they could help in identifying this soldier.

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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant 2nd Battn. 4th (King's Own) Regiment photographed in Durban   Lieutenant 2nd Battn. 4th (King's Own) Regiment photographed in Durban EmptySun Dec 22, 2013 8:51 pm

Martin,

Thanks I've had a look through the Museum's online material to no avail.

Here's one that it isn't:

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Lieutenant Charles Sinclair Shephard, (note incorrect spelling on CDV) 2nd/4th Regt.
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Shephard served at Helpmekaar, before being invalided down to Cape Town.

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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant 2nd Battn. 4th (King's Own) Regiment photographed in Durban   Lieutenant 2nd Battn. 4th (King's Own) Regiment photographed in Durban EmptySun Dec 22, 2013 11:18 pm

John.

Thanks for the information, you do have some great pictures, many thanks for sharing them, and I hope you get some good luck putting names to faces.

Best wishes.

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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant 2nd Battn. 4th (King's Own) Regiment photographed in Durban   Lieutenant 2nd Battn. 4th (King's Own) Regiment photographed in Durban EmptyMon Dec 23, 2013 9:31 pm

Lt.Col. Charles Sinclair Shephard,
Born: Roehampton, Surrey, , England 1847
Died: post 1911

Source:genealogy links

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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant 2nd Battn. 4th (King's Own) Regiment photographed in Durban   Lieutenant 2nd Battn. 4th (King's Own) Regiment photographed in Durban EmptyMon Dec 23, 2013 9:40 pm

Mr. Greaves,

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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant 2nd Battn. 4th (King's Own) Regiment photographed in Durban   Lieutenant 2nd Battn. 4th (King's Own) Regiment photographed in Durban EmptyMon Dec 23, 2013 9:41 pm

MrG  I have found different!


Name Lt Col Charles Sinclair Shephard DSO 1931, Weymouth dist.
Birth        1849, Roehampton, Surrey
Death Feb 1931, Weymouth, Dorset
General Lt Col on retirement but re-enlisted in WW1 for 2 years.


In the London Gazette in 1916:

"The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment.
Major '(temporary Lieutenant-Colonel)
Charles S. Shephard, D.S.O., (retired pay)
relinquishes his temporary rank on ceasing
to command a Battalion. Dated 17th
December,1915"

Which is correct, in any!
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PostSubject: Re: Lieutenant 2nd Battn. 4th (King's Own) Regiment photographed in Durban   Lieutenant 2nd Battn. 4th (King's Own) Regiment photographed in Durban EmptyMon Dec 23, 2013 9:43 pm

Thanks for link. Confirms mine!
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