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Dave wrote:
6pdr, if you read the post correctly taking into account LH post yesterday, he is showing exactly what you are spurting off about...Move the debate forward and stop treading water.

Hmm, I guess you are right Dave. I went off half cocked. My bad. It's just that whenever I see things posted here without context I think of the neophyte reader who takes things at face value.  Salute 
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John Young wrote:
Impi,

I think we can dismiss Donald Morris' allegation as unfounded.

The contemporary report that I was shown concurs with the same finding as Frank has given 'heat apoplexy.'

Frank,

He was actually en-route to China, the ship docked in Ceylon (Sri Lanka) where he was taken ashore for treatment.

John Y.

With Gordon in China: Letters from Thomas Lyster, Lieutenant Royal Engineers by the self-same, 1891, in a letter to his (Lyster's) mother dated 12 Jan 1865 -

"...I heard from Colonel Gordon at Ceylon yesterday ; he has taken Captain Durnford, who was coming out here, back with him, as he was very ill from the efffects of sun-stroke..."

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Frédéric,

Well done, we'll make an Englishman of you yet!

Another Morris myth kyboshed.

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Source!
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"Flashy", ye gods blood.. Very Happy 
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Flashman and the Tiger?.
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John Young wrote:
Frédéric,

Well done, we'll make an Englishman of you yet!

Another Morris myth kyboshed.

John Y.

Thanks you Mister Young,
It will be a real Honor  Salute ...When Englisman will agree to drive ( their car) on the RIGHT of the roads and not on the left! Very Happy 

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Is there such a thing as a " Englishman" they disappeared in the 1940s
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24th wrote:
Is there such a thing as a " Englishman"  they disappeared in the 1940s  

Thanks you for this usuful information.
No doubt, Mister Young and me  ignored this minor event intervened in the United Kingdom! Wink 
Mister Young Wink 
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24th wrote:
Source!

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Thanks you Mister Young,
It will be a real Honor  Salute ...When Englisman will agree to drive ( their car) on the RIGHT of the roads and not on the left! Very Happy 
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Oh please!  Your countrymen will consign you to eating English cuisine* for the rest of your life...and then where will you be?

* For the rest of you: Cuisine is a French word, used in English to denote something cooked and yet still edible by people not born on those sceptered isles... I understand that might be confusing for some who post here regularly, so I hastened to help out.  Joker 
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6pd
We all have our crosses to bare, we have Biltong and Pickled fish, you have Pink Slime..............
And of course Frederic already has that predilection for chasing little shelled beasts around his garden.
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And we have our fish 'n' chips  agree 

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Les what's the source.
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John wrote:
Les what's the source.

Umm, would that be the original message?
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6pdr,   agree    sorry john, i missed that
till now, iv'e been busy the last half hour  Very Happy 
not sure off hand, greaves, Isandlwana! have
to check that,
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Good post 24th, Brave Noble Durnford. here a bit more.

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24th, interesting in that, they assumed he covered the retreat of the Guns! So it appears that those that left took advantage of Dumfords generosity.  And to rub salt into the wounds the Guns were captured anyway!
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Mr M. Cooper wrote:
And we have our fish 'n' chips  agree 

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Bonjour Martin and the others,
At my arrival in the United Kingdom, i shall recruit a Franch cook...I am a careful man. Very Happy 
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Hello Frederic.

You can always recruit Anatole (Aunt Dahlia's French chef at Brinkley Court), a character from Jeeves and Wooster by P.G. Wodehouse. agree

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A bit more to pick through.. from A History of Natal by E H Brookes and C de B Webb
1965 so pre Morris

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Mr M. Cooper wrote:
Hello Frederic.

You can always recruit Anatole (Aunt Dahlia's French chef at Brinkley Court), a character from Jeeves and Wooster by P.G. Wodehouse. agree

Salute

Bonjour Martin,
I had rather thought of the descendants of Mister LAPARRA (french cook of LC) for the culinary and historic pleasure...Wink
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And this from Professor Alan F Hattersley.

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A few factual errors though, for Natal Native Horse read Natal Native Contingent, as an example.

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No opinion from me Frank, just throwing it in the pot!
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springbok9 wrote:
A few factual errors though, for Natal Native Horse read Natal Native Contingent.

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Bonjour Springbok,
Not getting involved.
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Xhosa
On 23rd August in this topic you posted a picture of Durnford's orders in the RE Museum in Chatham apparently stuck into an album.
The misspelt comment beneath it (not from the Museum) includes the statements that the orders were removed from Durnford's dead body and were handed into a Natal newspaper in recent times.  Both of these statements are incorrect.
Do you know where this picture's comment comes from?  Did you get it from a website or a book?  Wherever the source, it's obviously not very concerned about getting its facts straight.


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PostSubject: Re: Durnford was he capable. 3   Durnford - Durnford was he capable. 3 - Page 20 EmptyWed Sep 03, 2014 3:54 am

Hey Julian, just got in and saw your comment, its from
my scrapbook, i know the comments are erroneous, if
i remember correctly, jackson and your good self were
instrumental in bringing the ' lost ' documents to light
and then before the public.. i will have to dig for the
pic, which was i feel from a modern publication. my
scrapbook does indeed need updating, but as it runs to
over a hundred pages in each volume (3) that that will
take time i don't currently have..
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xhosa
If you're the source of the comment then that's fine - it's easily corrected.  I thought the wording might have come from some professional website or publication.
It doesn't matter where the photo comes from - that's not what I was asking about so no need to look!
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Well i dug anyway, and your quite right, mea culpa,it
will teach me not to post in haste! no professional's
involved..comments entirely my own, but i still have
it that i am correct in the main.but definitely not for
publication.

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xhosa
Sorry, it was just that any new forum member might be misled by reading that the orders were found on Durnford's body (they were found "on the field of Isandhlwana") and that the orders were sent to a paper in recent times (they were sent in 1885 to the finder's brother who happened to be the editor of the Natal Witness).
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Thank you Julian, leaving aside Laurd and Shepstone, maybe you could say a few words for the benefit
of new forum members, where durford's orders were located, how long they had been there, and your involvement in the finding and restoration.


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