WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Zulu Film Quote Lieutenant Bromhead :If 1200 men couldn't hold a defensive position this morning, what chance have we with 100?
 
HomeHome  GalleryGallery  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» Hlobane and Kambula
Caleb Wood  EmptyToday at 8:04 pm by Jon84

» Non-Imperial Medical Personnel
Caleb Wood  EmptyToday at 11:00 am by Frank Allewell

» Francis William Bruce 1st NNC?
Caleb Wood  EmptyYesterday at 7:44 pm by Eddie

» 2/4th Foot at Hlobane/Kambula
Caleb Wood  EmptyYesterday at 6:08 pm by John Young

» H.M.S. Orontes playing card
Caleb Wood  EmptyYesterday at 12:45 pm by John Young

» Private James Chick
Caleb Wood  EmptyYesterday at 12:17 pm by Eddie

» Thomas Clayton Rorke's Drift
Caleb Wood  EmptyTue Aug 09, 2022 6:05 pm by Kenny

» Sgt Evan Jones, Rorke's Drift Defender
Caleb Wood  EmptyTue Aug 09, 2022 8:02 am by ADMIN

» Bargoed surviver
Caleb Wood  EmptyFri Aug 05, 2022 8:14 pm by Eddie

» Pte E Stephens B Coy
Caleb Wood  EmptyFri Aug 05, 2022 8:08 pm by Eddie

» Charles Pope Royal Marine HMS Himalaya?
Caleb Wood  EmptyFri Aug 05, 2022 6:24 pm by gardner1879

» Unknown Patients at Rorke's Drift
Caleb Wood  EmptyThu Aug 04, 2022 10:29 pm by Julian Whybra

» Things I need to know about....
Caleb Wood  EmptyThu Aug 04, 2022 5:30 pm by Tellgryn

» Hero at Court
Caleb Wood  EmptyThu Aug 04, 2022 12:58 pm by Eddie

» Adolf Friedrich Schiel
Caleb Wood  EmptyWed Aug 03, 2022 9:18 pm by Eddie

» DRIFT Hero sent for trial
Caleb Wood  EmptyWed Aug 03, 2022 7:17 pm by Eddie

» John Byrne VC Crimean war 1854
Caleb Wood  EmptyWed Aug 03, 2022 6:54 pm by Eddie

» Proof crime don't pay
Caleb Wood  EmptyWed Aug 03, 2022 6:44 pm by Eddie

» Miss Stenhouse
Caleb Wood  EmptyTue Aug 02, 2022 9:46 pm by Eddie

» St Woolas Cemetery Newport
Caleb Wood  EmptyMon Aug 01, 2022 8:19 pm by Eddie

» Sergeant major John Cox
Caleb Wood  EmptyMon Aug 01, 2022 7:42 pm by Eddie

» Trooper W M Wright NMP? Private 425 John Coates 3/60 Regiment
Caleb Wood  EmptyMon Aug 01, 2022 5:00 pm by Julian Whybra

» Photograph of 24th Regiment Officers in 1873
Caleb Wood  EmptyMon Aug 01, 2022 3:16 pm by Julian Whybra

» Mr Buckley Naval Brigade A sad story waiting for his son
Caleb Wood  EmptyMon Aug 01, 2022 2:05 pm by Petty Officer Tom

» Yet another Hill of the Sphinx thread
Caleb Wood  EmptySun Jul 31, 2022 10:47 pm by Julian Whybra

» Corporal 567 W Newbury and private 993 J Highman 99th Regiment
Caleb Wood  EmptySun Jul 31, 2022 3:00 pm by gardner1879

» T Herbert Naval Brigade?
Caleb Wood  EmptySun Jul 31, 2022 1:46 pm by Petty Officer Tom

» Colour Sergeant 1936 William Ledsham 2/4th Regiment
Caleb Wood  EmptySun Jul 31, 2022 1:33 pm by gardner1879

» Private 29B/1892 Joe Robinson 58th Regiment and his recollections
Caleb Wood  EmptySun Jul 31, 2022 1:15 pm by gardner1879

» Private 1460 James O Gorman 2/24th Regiment
Caleb Wood  EmptySun Jul 31, 2022 12:35 pm by gardner1879

» For God, Queen and Colony. Terry Sole
Caleb Wood  EmptySun Jul 31, 2022 11:21 am by Tellgryn

» William Hiley
Caleb Wood  EmptySun Jul 31, 2022 7:54 am by gardner1879

» Emily Phillips who dressed Cetshwayo's wives
Caleb Wood  EmptySun Jul 31, 2022 7:39 am by gardner1879

» Private 2145 William Kennedy 1/24th Regiment
Caleb Wood  EmptySun Jul 31, 2022 7:35 am by gardner1879

» Edward Henry Poole SA adventurer
Caleb Wood  EmptySun Jul 31, 2022 7:21 am by gardner1879

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
The Death of the Prince Imperial Zulu War 1879
Top posters
90th
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
littlehand
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
ADMIN
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
1879graves
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
rusteze
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
John
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
Mr M. Cooper
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
Top posting users this month
Eddie
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
John Young
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
Julian Whybra
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
gardner1879
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
ADMIN
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
Frank Allewell
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
1879graves
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
Jon84
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
Petty Officer Tom
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
Tellgryn
Caleb Wood  Bar_leftCaleb Wood  BarCaleb Wood  Bar_right 
Most active topics
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable. 4
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Isandlwana, Last Stands
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Most Viewed Topics
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Adding to the Library
The ammunition question
ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
Recent Members To The ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879)
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Lieutenant Adendorff 1-3 N.N.C.
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Keywords
henry Durnford zulu Police james harford Prince Isandlwana 24th Russell 2022 taylor Franklin Woolfryes smith brown martini payne john George Mounted william drift horse spalding Natal
 

 Caleb Wood

Go down 
+3
Julian Whybra
nthornton1979
90th
7 posters
AuthorMessage
90th

90th


Posts : 10483
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 66
Location : Melbourne, Australia

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptyFri Nov 20, 2015 11:55 pm

This morning I was reading an account of RD by Caleb Wood , which seems to have been a previously unknown account ! , this was posted on Ian Knights F/B page , C.W states that when the first chap arrived at RD , following the Isandlwana Massacre , he rode straight through the camp ! , later two others appeared , one of which asked to speak to the officer in command , he spoke to Bromhead ( we know Chard was down at the river talking to Adendorff ) these two claimed they were able to escape due to the fact they were bathing in the river . Seems it was printed in the Nottingham Daily Express , no date . C.W states he heard the conversation , he and several others had gathered around to hear the news .
90th
Back to top Go down
nthornton1979

nthornton1979


Posts : 154
Join date : 2011-01-18
Age : 42
Location : Runcorn, Cheshire, UK

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Re: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptySat Nov 21, 2015 6:29 pm

Hi 90th,

I found this account a while ago but kept it under wraps as it is featuring in my book that is to be released next year. I supplied a copy of the account to Kris Wheatley but asked her to keep it quiet until after the release of my book. I didn't tell anyone else about it as I touted it to my publisher as a previously unknown account, but it looks like the cat is now out of the bag!

The date of the article is 23rd July, 1914. [Nottingham Daily Express]
Back to top Go down
90th

90th


Posts : 10483
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 66
Location : Melbourne, Australia

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptySun Nov 22, 2015 6:00 am

Hi nt
Sorry about the post , I possibly asked you about your book on Ian's F/B page ? .
cheers 90th scratch scratch
Back to top Go down
nthornton1979

nthornton1979


Posts : 154
Join date : 2011-01-18
Age : 42
Location : Runcorn, Cheshire, UK

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Re: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptySun Nov 22, 2015 10:04 am

Hi 90th,

Yes, quite possibly. Well I remember speaking with a chap from Australia anyway. Gary I think?

I'm assuming that's you?

Neil
Back to top Go down
90th

90th


Posts : 10483
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 66
Location : Melbourne, Australia

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptySun Nov 22, 2015 10:39 am

Yes Neil That's me Joker
90th
Back to top Go down
nthornton1979

nthornton1979


Posts : 154
Join date : 2011-01-18
Age : 42
Location : Runcorn, Cheshire, UK

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Re: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptySun Nov 22, 2015 10:50 am


Oh, good stuff!

Cheers Gary Salute

Neil
Back to top Go down
Julian Whybra




Posts : 3043
Join date : 2011-09-12
Location : Billericay, Essex

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Re: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptyWed Nov 25, 2015 7:43 am

This sounds like Fletcher and would account for his description BUT it doesn't quite tally with the other accounts of his arrival. Given the date of the account [1914] Wood's memory can only have been faulty or confused over the years - still he's remembered one interesting piece of info. I suppose the 'river' must've been the Manzimnyama.
Back to top Go down
rusteze

rusteze


Posts : 2872
Join date : 2010-06-02

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Re: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptyWed Nov 25, 2015 3:32 pm

Isn't this business of the two of them bathing in the river a little odd? If we are talking about the Manzimnyama (and I cannot think what other river it could have been), it means that the two must have left the camp, on their horses, to bathe in the midst of the various alerts during the morning. Seems a tad relaxed? And then, at some point realising the camp was under proper attack hot legged it to RD.

Steve
Back to top Go down
Julian Whybra




Posts : 3043
Join date : 2011-09-12
Location : Billericay, Essex

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Re: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptyWed Nov 25, 2015 3:52 pm

Rusteze,
The scenario as I see it - pure conjecture of course - would be as follows.
Caleb Wood's 1914 account is a little confused with the passage of time.
First Fletcher arrived with the news of the camp, hatless and bootless and wearing not very much.
Then Adendorff and Sibthorpe (?) arrive. Then Evans and Whelan arrived.
There was a man who simply rode on without stopping. Several people mentioned him. But he wasn't the first to arrive. This man was probably Granger.
Wood has confused these events.
Fletcher may well have been bathing - a bit strange in the midst of everything on the 22nd but possible. If the first fugitives hurtled over the saddle to the Manzimnyama then they may have warned him and he hotfooted it to RD without bothering to 'dress'.
Wood has remembered the salient points but confused the order of events.
All in all, I see Wood's account as unlikely but possible...and after all, why would he make up something like that. It does help explain Fletcher's appearance.
Back to top Go down
rusteze

rusteze


Posts : 2872
Join date : 2010-06-02

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Re: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptyWed Nov 25, 2015 4:40 pm

Even saying it was Fletcher (and it does go to explain his odd attire) what is a Carbineer trooper doing by himself some way from the camp having a bath when he knows the Zulus are all around? Like you, I see no reason why Wood would lie, so I wonder whether there were more Carbineers out doing their ablutions than just Fletcher? Would he really have gone alone?Conjecture, as you say.

Steve
Back to top Go down
Julian Whybra




Posts : 3043
Join date : 2011-09-12
Location : Billericay, Essex

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Re: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptyWed Nov 25, 2015 5:11 pm

Rusteze
What you say is true. But we are lucky and are writing with hindsight. If Fletcher was doing just that, doesn't it say a lot for the mindset of all those in camp that complacency did not just exist in the minds of LC & co.? Even if you think that's going too far, wouldn't it still just be saying a lot about where those in camp thought the danger lay? I.e. not in the rear of the mountain.
In all my thoughts about Isandhlwana I try never to forget where poor old Pulleine, Durnford etc thought the main impi really was (and that that thought must have percolated down to the lowliest private). What a shock it must have been to them!
(P.S. I proved that this man was Fletcher in footnote 17 of 'A Brave Fugitive' and also the identities of the other RD arrivals in fn. 19.)
Back to top Go down
rusteze

rusteze


Posts : 2872
Join date : 2010-06-02

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Re: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptyWed Nov 25, 2015 6:02 pm

I agree it demonstrates complacency by all concerned and to an alarming degree. I think we too easily pass over this attitude towards the enemy held by all ranks.  As a result I believe those out with Chelmsford were in a physical state of shock when they understood what had happened. For my money, it goes a long way to explain why LC quickly moves away from the battlefield on 23rd and makes no effort to return for a shamefully long time.

"A Brave Fugitive" is very good and I eagerly await the next set of studies.

steve
Back to top Go down
Frank Allewell

Frank Allewell


Posts : 8280
Join date : 2009-09-21
Age : 75
Location : Cape Town South Africa

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Re: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptyWed Nov 25, 2015 7:00 pm

When we think of the Manzimyama we tend to think of the area the fugitives crossed, a long way from the camp. But in actual fact the closest point was where the road crossed and that's very close just at the bottom of the hill. So yes highly possible they could use it to bath in. Very Plausible. Plus of course it was on the escape road back to RD.

Cheers
Back to top Go down
Julian Whybra




Posts : 3043
Join date : 2011-09-12
Location : Billericay, Essex

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Re: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptyThu Nov 26, 2015 8:46 am

...and might explain why Fletcher was first to reach RD. I'm wondering whether he was a solitary picquet (they were placed in ones and twos) on the saddle/at the rear of the mountain or one of perhaps 2 picquets placed on Stony Koppie who decided to go and have a wash. If he/they remained at their posts till the last minute they would have had a good view of events.
Fletcher left no account but family oral history says he escaped via Fugitives' Drift and received an assegai wound in the shoulder. The tip broke off and was kept by him as a souvenir.
Back to top Go down
Frank Allewell

Frank Allewell


Posts : 8280
Join date : 2009-09-21
Age : 75
Location : Cape Town South Africa

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Re: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptyThu Nov 26, 2015 9:10 am

Two things come to mind. Firstly theres the possibility (remote) that he was bathing in the river, alongside the road to RD and saw the right horn coming down the Manzimyama valley ( I have a photo of that angle that I must dig out) and then fled along the river and up over Mpethu. Seems unlikely as the first destination, I would assume, would have been back to the camp.
Secondly, if the impi did come down the valley ( the traditional route of the right horn) they could have cut him of from the camp and possibly the road forcing him to flee over the hill towards the drift.
Its still a feasible concept though.
I will see if I can put together a montage to illustrate it.

Cheers
Back to top Go down
Frank Allewell

Frank Allewell


Posts : 8280
Join date : 2009-09-21
Age : 75
Location : Cape Town South Africa

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Re: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptyThu Nov 26, 2015 9:38 am

Should have added, in picture 3 there is a ridge that stretches in the middle distance from off camera left right across the photo. That is the hill that the fugitives rode diagonally down towards the Manzimyama. This shot shows how steep that incline really is.

Cheers
Back to top Go down
ymob

ymob


Posts : 2268
Join date : 2010-10-22
Location : France

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Re: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptySun Mar 06, 2016 4:31 pm

rusteze wrote:
I agree it demonstrates complacency by all concerned and to an alarming degree. I think we too easily pass over this attitude towards the enemy held by all ranks.  As a result I believe those out with Chelmsford were in a physical state of shock when they understood what had happened. For my money, it goes a long way to explain why LC quickly moves away from the battlefield on 23rd and makes no effort to return for a shamefully long time.

"A Brave Fugitive" is very good and I eagerly await the next set of studies.

steve

Bonjour,
At Isandhlwana, the 22 January 1879:
"The Zulus attacked our camp while our men were washing their clothing, as any good soldier dies whenever he has the chance"

Source: "The Oldham Weekly Chronicle", April 26th, 1879 quoted in "The Journal of the AZWRS (I.E: John Young),""Sweeney's story" (I.E:1939 Drummer William Sweeney, 2-24th Regiment) vol. n°1, issue n°2, pp.19-21

Cheers

Frédéric

Back to top Go down
http://frbomy@hotmail.fr
gardner1879

gardner1879


Posts : 1121
Join date : 2021-01-04

Caleb Wood  Empty
PostSubject: Re: Caleb Wood    Caleb Wood  EmptyMon Jul 25, 2022 10:59 pm

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Nottingham Journal - Thursday 08 December 1932
Back to top Go down
 
Caleb Wood
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» Caleb Wood
» 1316 Pte Caleb Wood
» Rededication service for Pte. Caleb Wood & Robert Tongue 2004
» Cold Steel' Private Caleb Wood Rorke's Drift 22/23 January 1879
» WILLS, Lieut. -Col. Caleb Shera, C.B.

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: ZULU WAR EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS-
Jump to: