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How is this officer connected to the Zulu War?

Just a little clue, he did not serve in the campaign.

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First of all, I have to find out who he is and I spose you are not going let that bit out......

Question: is that the Order of the Bath he is wearing?



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Sime,

It is a K.C.B.

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ah, so I am on the right track.....I just need to find a hairy blighter, who got the KCB and had something to do with the Zulu War but wasn't there....
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Did he accidentally shoot himself.
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I think I know who it is and if it is him, I know the connection to the ZW......
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Well Sime

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I'm probably miles out but is it Brownrigg - he was regimental colonel of the Sherwood Foresters a few years before Lord C.....
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Les,

Not that I’m aware of.

Sime,

No I’m afraid not.

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But, it was a good try.....Brownrigg was very hairy.....
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Kate,

Stop doing those shifts, they are damaging your vision.

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Sorry JY just finished a 12 hour shift at the end of a long week (yawn)
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Kate,

I could tell. Bring back quick change-overs that’s what I say.

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Crikey if I'd just done the old quick change over 4 week shift pattern I would have probably asked if it was Ivan the Terribles nephew. I will amend my post above accordingly.
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Спасибо Kate.

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A couple of stabs, one a bit left field.

1. Another Thesiger - there is a likeness.

2. Pierre Louis Napoleon Cavagnari.

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Steve,

Here’s an engraving of Sir Louis.

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No he is not a Thesiger, prior to Frederic Augustus Thesiger joining the army the family were strongly connected to the Royal Navy.

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I wondered about Lt Gen Charles Wemyss Thesiger his brother, but no sign of beard. I'd say it's trying to be a Crimea medal?

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Is Evelyn Wood the connection.
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Steve,

So close relatively with that suggestion.

Take a Pepys at the Indian Mutiny...

Admin,

No he is not.

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Phew John! Indian Mutiny diarist with Crimea connection - William Howard Russell, but he wasn't KCB.

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No, i got the wrong Russell! Now amended.

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It's an Indian Mutiny medal not Crimea.

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Steve,

Did I say that the diarist was a male?

Yes it is a Mutiny Medal.

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Sir John Eardley Wilmot Inglis married to Lady Julia Inglis Mutiny Diarist and sister Of Lord Chelmsford.

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“Has anyone seen my brother-in-law?”

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Too many clues...

Well done Steve!

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The family.
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Sir John will feature in the forthcoming book For Queen and Company.

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One of my all time favourite maps is Stanford's Library Map of India published in 1857, the year of the mutiny. It comes in two halves and in total measures about 7 feet by 5 feet. It took me many years to find both halves! The detail is staggering, showing every Indian State and when it was acquired by the East India Company.
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Well done JY.. it's a treat to watch a fine mind in action.. it's the most entertaining
book plug i have ever seen. my own book's on the mutiny are from the turn of the
last century and later, it seem's such a long time ago that you first mentioned
that your next book was about the company and the mutiny. fresh eye's and a new
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Hi Kate

Now that's really odd. Looks pretty genuine but of course he had nothing to do with the AZW. Because its been mounted on card we do not know what it might have said inside, but I wonder if they just confused him with the Prince Imperial.

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No what is odd is where are the contents?  It should contain Lowry-like battle scenes and personalty portraits in a concertina format start from one side you have the Zulu War, start from the other and you have the Afghan War.

I’ll dig some out after the rugby.

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Here’s a couple of examples of what should inside the folder:

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What interesting little drawings.
Do these booklets come up for sale very often John?

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Kate,

I know few of us have them. I got mine from German EBay several years back.

They are fairly delicate given the way they were put together.

I’ll do some more later.

Mrs Cetewayo is interesting...

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So I assume you enjoyed the rugby John? True test stuff, could have gone either way. Salute
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Frank,

A bed of Roses trampled by the cloven hooves of the Springboks.

I had to retire to bed early last night, to put pay the e-mails coming from KZN.

Was that Gugu’s dance troupe invading the pitch prior to the anthems?

Kate,

Here’s Mr. & Mrs. Cetshwayo, it appears he was suffering from a severe case of malnutrition at the time.

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PostSubject: Re: A Little Puzzle to while away the hours...   A Little Puzzle to while away the hours... EmptySun Jun 10, 2018 11:23 am

John, part 2 this afternoon in the 7,s. Had to love the passion in the Zulu warm up. Did you notice the touch of irony in the music? Johny Clegg with "impi". The song is all about iSandlwana.
War! O Here Comes War
Who Here Can Touch The Lions?
All Along The River Chelmsford's Army Lay Asleep
Come To Crush The Children Of Mageba
Come To Exact The Realm's Price For Peace
And In The Morning As They Saddled Up To Ride
Their Eyes Shone With The Fire And The Steel
The General Told Them Of The Task That Lay Ahead
To Bring The People Of The Sky To Heel
War! O Here Comes War
Who Here Can Touch The Lions?

Mud And Sweat On Polished Leather
Warm Rain Seeping To The Bone
They Rode Through The Season's Wet Weather
Straining For A Glimpse Of The Foe
Hopeless Battalion Destined To Die
Broken By The Benders Of Kings
Vainglorious General And Victorian Pride
Would Cost Him And 800 Men Their Lives

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I think Mrs Cetshwayo is not a bad representation of (one of) his wives.
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