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Magnus
Posts : 14 Join date : 2019-11-11
| Subject: Zulu War kit bags Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:19 am | |
| I have in my collection a Zulu iklwa (18 inch blade) and knobkerrie. Both have been cut shorter than they would have originally been. Both were acquired separately from different places but they both have exactly the same overall length (27 inches).
My theory is that returning soldiers shortened their war trophy souvenirs, so that they would fit into their kit bags.
This is something that has intrigued me for a some time. I have tried looking on the Internet to find information that would support this theory, but without success. Brecon Museum advise me that kit bags were not issuesd to British soldiers on active service in the Zulu War. Perhaps they were issued with kit bags for the sea journey and the march ashore to and from their base camp. Were their kit bags 27 inches long? |
| | | Herbie
Posts : 118 Join date : 2017-11-16 Age : 58 Location : Epsom, Surrey
| Subject: Re: Zulu War kit bags Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:46 pm | |
| Hi Magnus Not aware if soldiers had kit bags in 1879 but 27” seems a bit short if they did. I’m sure mine was more like 3 foot long or so and I think the design stayed similar throughout the 20th century. I would have thought it more likely trophies would be gathered by an officer and maybe cut to fit in a trunk? Don’t think ORs had the same opportunities to take home the spoils of war! Phil |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3238 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Zulu War kit bags Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:22 am | |
| Magnus, I pretty certain that they referred to as “sea-bags” then. Here’s a couple of what appear to be examples taken from the Illustrated London News and The Graphic.[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]JY |
| | | Magnus
Posts : 14 Join date : 2019-11-11
| Subject: Re: Zulu War kit bags Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:29 pm | |
| Thank you both for your replies. Very interesting and helpful. Good to see the images from the Illustrated London News and the Graphic. Perhaps the sea bags came in different sizes. The one in the tent could be 27 inches long judging by the width of his shoulders. I later found two other similar but different images from the Zulu War period showing embarkation of the 60th Rifles at Gravesend on their way to the Zulu War, as well as images of them on board. Small sea bags here. Thanks for your response to my message. |
| | | Magnus
Posts : 14 Join date : 2019-11-11
| Subject: Re: Zulu War kit bags Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:20 am | |
| For those who are interested. Following the lead that John gave me, I found 2 more illustrations that show their kit/sea bags - links below
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/illustration/60th-regiment-on-board-2-going-below-3-looking-for-bags-stock-graphic/681886179
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/illustration/embarkation-of-60th-rifles-at-gravesend-united-kingdom-stock-graphic/681886045 |
| | | Magnus
Posts : 14 Join date : 2019-11-11
| Subject: Re: Zulu War kit bags Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:04 pm | |
| Just to complete my line of enquiry for those who are interested, here is a photograph of the assegai and a knobkerrie that have both been cut off at 27 inches. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10882 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 67 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Zulu War Kit Bags Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:38 pm | |
| Very nice Magnus . 90th |
| | | timothylrose
Posts : 110 Join date : 2013-09-07
| Subject: Re: Zulu War kit bags Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:13 am | |
| Can't vouch for Zulu stuff but the old story of lads getting kit out via their kitbags is a reoccurring theme for the British Army - I have a Tula Arsenal Russian musket cut down by about a foot or so to fit within a sea bag and more recently you can tell the Martinis and Sniders that came back from Aden / Oman as they have the woodwork cut at the middle band to allow them to be put in three parts inside a kitbag - plus sa change IMO
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| | | Magnus
Posts : 14 Join date : 2019-11-11
| Subject: Re: Zulu War kit bags Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:46 pm | |
| Thanks - very interesting |
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