WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Film Zulu Dawn:Lt. Col. Pulleine: His Lordship is of the cetain opinion that it's far too difficult an approach to be chosen by the Zulu command.Col. Durnford: Yes, well... difficulty never deterred a Zulu commander.
 
HomeHome  CalendarCalendar  GalleryGallery  PublicationsPublications  FAQFAQ  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» Prince Imperial Leave Request at Woolwich
Today at 5:13 pm by Isandula

» Farnborough Hill
Yesterday at 9:46 pm by 24th foot

» Rorke's Drift
Yesterday at 8:25 pm by xhosa2000

» Missing five hours question
Yesterday at 6:59 pm by SRB1965

» Rifles at Rorkes Drift......not the usual Zulu/Martini question....
Yesterday at 9:07 am by SRB1965

» Captain Walter Stafford NNC medals
Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:04 am by 90th

» Gerald French, liar or not?
Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:24 pm by Frank Allewell

» A bit more fun research!
Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:22 am by rusteze

» Trooper H. Boik (NMP) and Dartnell patrol Isandlwana, 22 January 1879
Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:55 am by whizz-bang

» Norris-Newman
Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:52 pm by Kenny

» Some fun research
Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:47 am by Frank Allewell

» Isipezi Hill
Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:19 pm by ALLENG

» Zulu shield question
Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:03 am by SRB1965

» Buyer beware!..
Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:47 pm by xhosa2000

» Colonel Farquhar Glennie
Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:48 pm by SRB1965

Captain Ronald G.E. Campbell, Coldstream Guards. killed at Hlobane
[Mac & Shad] Captain Ronald G.E. Campbell, Coldstream Guards --killed at Hlobane (Mac and Shad) (Isandula Collection)
Rob Caskie at a Showcase Event 2014
Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
Top posters
90th
 
littlehand
 
Frank Allewell
 
ADMIN
 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
 
John
 
Mr M. Cooper
 
1879graves
 
impi
 
rusteze
 
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Top posting users this month
90th
 
xhosa2000
 
Frank Allewell
 
rusteze
 
John Young
 
SRB1965
 
Tee
 
24th foot
 
ALLENG
 
Kenny
 
Most active topics
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Durnford was he capable.5
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Durnford was he capable. 4
The ammunition question
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.

Share | 
 

 Smith Dorrien

View previous topic View next topic Go down 
AuthorMessage
Frank Allewell

avatar

Posts : 6422
Join date : 2009-09-21
Age : 70
Location : Cape Town South Africa

PostSubject: Smith Dorrien   Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:38 pm

Ive been re reading Memories of 48 years service and found some strange discrepances. I know that he was pretty advanced in years when he wrote his memoirs so maybe this accounts for the lapses. However his memory of events have lead to a lot of conclusions being drawn.
Some examples.
He left isandlwana to ride to RD shoertly after midnight arriving at dawn. Approx 4 hours. He delivered the orders to Durnford from Chelmsford ( who promptly leaves and heads to isandlwana). SD then supervises the erection of the riem gallows. When that was underway he sees Bromhead and borrows 11 rounds for his pistol. While still with Bromhead they hear the sound of heavy guns from the camp. He then heads of back to the camp., and arrives just as Durnford does.
My problem is this, A)the time frame for all that. B) The heavy guns werent firing at 8 oclock in the morning. C) How did he manage to catch up to Durnford who left shortly after dawn, approx 4 hours prieviously. Durnford had a 4 hour head start on a 4 hr journey.
D) Unless SD had left immediatly after he arrived he couldnt have arrived at the same time as Durnford.
By all accounts Durnford was making maximum speed.

So if his memory is at fault with those time and space events, can we rely on the rest of the story, apart from the over all impression that is.

Specifically can we say that his reccolection of seeing Coghill " a half a mile ahead" aproaching the Fugitives Drift could be fact? Could be it was one of the other fugitive officers?
My reasons for getting into this is that if we take SD out of the equation then the traditions of Melvill and Coghill get closer to being fact. The only testimony that splits them up is his. All the others put M & C together at various points.

Any input?

Regards
Back to top Go down
90th

avatar

Posts : 9276
Join date : 2009-04-07
Age : 61
Location : Melbourne, Australia

PostSubject: smith - dorrien   Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:31 am

hi springbok.
I dont have the Smith - Dorrien book for that exact reason . I have read over the years several critics dont put
much credence in his book as it has a few flaws and was written many years after the events and also he was
a decent age when it was written . No disrespect is meant to S.Dorrien , but time and facts dont match when there
is a large gap between the two . :) .
cheers 90th.
Back to top Go down
JohnB



Posts : 95
Join date : 2010-01-10
Age : 65
Location : Taunton

PostSubject: Re: Smith Dorrien   Wed Aug 25, 2010 5:31 pm

Hi Springbok,

I have found this online account: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I presume this is the account you refer to. Just click through the pages..

JohnB

Back to top Go down
Frank Allewell

avatar

Posts : 6422
Join date : 2009-09-21
Age : 70
Location : Cape Town South Africa

PostSubject: Re: Smith Dorrien   Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:17 pm

Hi John
Yes thats the one. Only problem is it doesnt show his maps.
Regards
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content




PostSubject: Re: Smith Dorrien   

Back to top Go down
 
Smith Dorrien
View previous topic View next topic Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: GENERAL DISCUSSION AREA-
Jump to: