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Anyone know who Mr J Raymond was?
And again where was 'Fort Revenge', that ones a bit of a trick question

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I think we will need more than that. :lol!:
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Aw c'mon Impi, thinking cap.
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Isandlwana, Fynn.
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PostSubject: J.Raymond .   interesting questions again EmptyWed Dec 01, 2010 7:28 am

Hi All.
As Chelmsford was forming up his force to storm the camp at Isandlwana the following is from Zulu Rising by Ian Knight , page 463 .
There was some strange encounters on the road . According to Fynn , a white man , one J.Raymond , " Rode up from a donga
south eastwards of Sandlwana , and reported his escape from the zulu forces in Sandlwana camp that morning ".
Footnote reads , Fynn , My Recollections Of A Famous Campaign And A Great Disaster . I have not altered the spelling
its as spelt by Fynn .
When I was searching for Raymond earlier I checked Julian Whybra's England's Sons which lists all survivors of Isand
including civilians and others . Unless I missed it , there was no mention of Raymond , but I think Julian is working on an
updated version so Raymond may appear in that edition . Springbok has got me with Ft Revenge , I'm thinking post
Isandlwana somewhere in Sth Africa ! . :lol!: .
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PostSubject: Re: interesting questions again   interesting questions again EmptyWed Dec 01, 2010 7:36 am

Nice one 90th.
Pretty interesting about Raymond, thats the only reference Ive ever come across. Would be interesting if any other forum members have info on him.
Fort Revenge, getting close.

Some one once said. " You can allways tell an Aussie, but you cant tell him much".

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PostSubject: J.Raymond .   interesting questions again EmptyWed Dec 01, 2010 7:45 am

Hi Springbok .
We have that saying here and it doesnt refer to us ! . Or you for that matter . Lets just say those in the Nthn Hemisphere :lol!:
:lol!: . No insult is intended or inferred .
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PostSubject: Re: interesting questions again   interesting questions again EmptyWed Dec 01, 2010 12:38 pm

Fort revenge.
After the Royal Engineers finished the fort protecting the Drift, RD, the officer commanding Col Hassard asked them to name it. They suggested Fort Revenge, Hassard asked for a more apropriate name, they came back with Fort Mellville.
I did say it was a trick question.

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Raymond is on page 56 (N4) of England's Sons.
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Coincidentally I saw this in the column order book
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PostSubject: Re: interesting questions again   interesting questions again EmptyThu Aug 18, 2016 2:24 pm

No, the entry shown is from the 2nd/24th Orders book - signed by Lt Geo Banister as acting Adjutant - which repeats the earlier Column Order.
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Quite!
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PostSubject: Re: interesting questions again   interesting questions again EmptyThu Aug 18, 2016 7:34 pm

Also Fort Melvill was built at the actual Drift - you see the earth works still today. The fort built at the mission station where the famous action took place on 22/23 January was named 'Fort Bromhead'
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PostSubject: Re: interesting questions again   interesting questions again EmptyThu Aug 18, 2016 7:39 pm

I would disagree, Fort Melvill is built on the rise overlooking the pont location, the drift is down stream by a good two hundred metres on the track leading to the RD Hotel.
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Photograph taken from the old earthworks at Fort Melvill looking down towards the Drift just in front of the Hotel at the island. The mission station out of shot away to the right.
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PostSubject: Interesting Questions Again    interesting questions again EmptyFri Aug 19, 2016 3:59 am

Yes Frank , Ft Melville ( Revenge ) is built on the rise overlooking the Ponts location , I've been through it and past it several times . Salute
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PostSubject: Re: interesting questions again   interesting questions again EmptySun Aug 21, 2016 12:13 pm

Sorry a bit late on this one...took me a while to find this.

Extract from a letter from Chelmsford to Glyn, dated Durban 18th March 1879.

"Dear Glyn,
The name "Fort Revenge" appeared in an official document sent from Rorkes Drift. It was not surprising therefore that I concluded that you were aware and had approved of it - I am very glad now to hear that I was mistaken."


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