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| | Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? | |
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| Subject: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Thu May 03, 2012 1:28 pm | |
| Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Pascal |
| | | littlehand
Posts : 7076 Join date : 2009-04-24 Age : 55 Location : Down South.
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Thu May 03, 2012 2:55 pm | |
| Pascal. You need to start searching the forum. The answers are here. We are way past the cause of the war and who started it.
"Lord Chelmsford invaded Zululand without the knowledge of the British Government in the hope that he could Capture Cetshwayo, the Zulu King, before London discovered that hostilities had begun." |
| | | Drummer Boy 14
Posts : 2008 Join date : 2011-08-01 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Thu May 03, 2012 3:40 pm | |
| Chelmsford also wouldn't have invaded without Bartle Frere.
Cheers
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| | | littlehand
Posts : 7076 Join date : 2009-04-24 Age : 55 Location : Down South.
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Thu May 03, 2012 3:41 pm | |
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| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Thu May 03, 2012 4:03 pm | |
| For me the responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War is Frere . Pascal |
| | | littlehand
Posts : 7076 Join date : 2009-04-24 Age : 55 Location : Down South.
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Thu May 03, 2012 4:22 pm | |
| There you go. End of discussion. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Thu May 03, 2012 5:39 pm | |
| And the rotten colonialism for the rotten capitalism. Pascal |
| | | littlehand
Posts : 7076 Join date : 2009-04-24 Age : 55 Location : Down South.
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Thu May 03, 2012 6:24 pm | |
| The young Prince Napolian was happy to be a part of it. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Fri May 04, 2012 6:33 am | |
| Hi all
When the brave Zulu jumped on him he had to be happy too ...
Bonaparte was not Prince. And very little French, saw his ancestors.
His father was the president of the republic in 1848, as elected by a majority of those who had the right to vote at the time.
The Bonapartes had always assumed power through coups, so they are not legitimate rulers of France.
So all they have done in history is not legitimate, so it is not the history of France, is the history of the Bonaparte family ...
Cheers
Pascal |
| | | garywilson1
Posts : 374 Join date : 2009-01-22 Age : 61 Location : Timisoara , Romania
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Fri May 04, 2012 7:22 am | |
| What happened in England in 1066 was not a coup ? We accept it as part of English history. |
| | | garywilson1
Posts : 374 Join date : 2009-01-22 Age : 61 Location : Timisoara , Romania
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Fri May 04, 2012 7:29 am | |
| "And the rotten colonialism for the rotten capitalism"
This might be your view but i do not think it added to the discussion and this is not a politcal forum .
Personally i am very proud of our Colonial past. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Fri May 04, 2012 8:12 am | |
| Garry The invasion of Britain by the Normans, Bretons, Flemings and French in 1066 is not a coup, Edward the Confessor had designated William of Normandy as his legitimate successor ... In addition, people proud of his country's colonial past, when we see what state is africa today is really the ... Pascal |
| | | garywilson1
Posts : 374 Join date : 2009-01-22 Age : 61 Location : Timisoara , Romania
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Fri May 04, 2012 10:37 am | |
| I think we are in grave danger of going off topic but ; from Encyclopedia Britannia ;
"On his deathbed, Edward named Harold as his successor".
i am not sure if your other remark is an insult to me personally or my country in general but i do not think it is called for . |
| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| | | | 90th
Posts : 10882 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 67 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| | | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Fri May 04, 2012 11:22 am | |
| Dear Gary
For 1066 you do not have the good encyclopedia, but it's normal it's your nationalism speaking, although Britain is 70 years since an American state.
In that touches the colonies in Africa, this also applies to the French, Belgians, Germans, Italians, Spanish and Portuguese.
Cheers
Pascal |
| | | garywilson1
Posts : 374 Join date : 2009-01-22 Age : 61 Location : Timisoara , Romania
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Fri May 04, 2012 11:34 am | |
| i am not sure the Americans rewrite our encyclopedias to change the line of succesion .
In fact i am sure they have never heard of William the C or Harold .
Worth remembering that if had not been for England 70 years ago then europe would have been a German state - America did its fair share as well , unless my history is wrong on that as well ?
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| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Fri May 04, 2012 11:41 am | |
| 90th ..........................................most of them learning to play cricket :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Gary Wilson Dont let the fool wind you up...............any bets on how long this post will be on? Cheers Guys |
| | | garywilson1
Posts : 374 Join date : 2009-01-22 Age : 61 Location : Timisoara , Romania
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Fri May 04, 2012 11:50 am | |
| Springbok , this post will be on about as long as an innings by an Aussie opener :lol:
And you are right , i should know better than to get wound up - especially as its my birthday next week on Tuesday - May 8th , VE day and a holiday in france - though not in England .
apologies to Admin in advance and i wish everyone a good week end .
Cheers , Gary. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Fri May 04, 2012 11:57 am | |
| Yeah Gary ,good riddance :lol:
And it is not the topic |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Fri May 04, 2012 12:15 pm | |
| Dear Springbok 9
Pour insulter les gens, c'est mieux quand les gens sont face de toi...
Voilà pôurquoi je ne le fais jamais sur un forum...
Moi avec certaines personnes , j'aime mieux leurs donner des coups que de me disputer avec , c'est une grande habitude chez moi depuis l'enfance , question de tempérament ,Voilà pourquoi je n'insulte jamais personne sur un forum...
Best regards
Pascal |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Fri May 04, 2012 12:17 pm | |
| Dear Springbok 9
To insult people, it is best when people are facing you ...
That's why I never do on a forum ...
Some people with me, I prefer their kicking to argue with that, it's a great habit for me since childhood, temperament issue, is why I never insult someone on a forum ...
Best regards
pascal |
| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 3960 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Fri May 04, 2012 1:19 pm | |
| Before this topic gets deleted, I believe that the Zulus are responsible for the AZW and that Frere provided them with the means to instigate it.
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| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Fri May 04, 2012 1:39 pm | |
| Julian Not often I get suprised, this is one of those times. regards |
| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 3960 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Fri May 04, 2012 2:23 pm | |
| Well, I might as well be controversial, it might make for an interesting discussion. |
| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Fri May 04, 2012 3:10 pm | |
| I suppose one could follow lines right back to Jan van Riebeeck, however the whole invasion was designed to achieve the dream of confederation, and that started with Lord Carnarvon and James Anthony Froud. The rest was just a progression.
Regards |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Who is really responsible of the Anglo-Zulu War ? Fri May 04, 2012 3:20 pm | |
| The Zulu responsible for this war? But then they were foolish enough to provoke the Great - Britain ...? Do not they know its power and their king had he not allowed his troops to penetrate in Natal ... The poor, they imaginient still not able to have the same incredibly lucky that Red Cloud in 1868 ... Pascal |
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