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+3Chelmsfordthescapegoat barry Drummer Boy 14 7 posters | Author | Message |
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| Subject: A sword for Durnford ? Thu May 10, 2012 9:41 am | |
| Hi all What exactly was the arming of Durnford at Isandhlwana ? For example he had a sword ? Pascal |
| | | Drummer Boy 14
Posts : 2008 Join date : 2011-08-01 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Thu May 10, 2012 3:46 pm | |
| Revolver and hunting knife, his sword was in his waggon and is now on display at the RE museum.
Cheers |
| | | barry
Posts : 947 Join date : 2011-10-21 Location : Algoa Bay
| Subject: Durnford's sword Thu May 10, 2012 8:11 pm | |
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Hi Db15,
One of the Zulu account's I think Mehlogozulu's , recounts Durnford, in the last stand, swinging his sword at his attackers with gusto and the blade flashing in the afternoon sun. So, ....... if that is correct, the sword could not have been in his wagon ?. Besides which, all the wagons were looted.
regards
barry
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| | | Chelmsfordthescapegoat
Posts : 2593 Join date : 2009-04-24
| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Thu May 10, 2012 8:24 pm | |
| Mehlogozulu also mentioned regarding Durnford that he would try and get the sabra back. But have seen nothing since to say it was return. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Fri May 11, 2012 6:01 am | |
| Hello and thank you to all three Oh, what misery, even with the primary sources we are sure of nothing ... So for more important issues, you can imagine the errors made by historians and peddled for 133 years ! Pascal |
| | | Frank Allewell
Posts : 8572 Join date : 2009-09-21 Age : 77 Location : Cape Town South Africa
| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Fri May 11, 2012 6:57 am | |
| There was a statement, possibly by Davies that he saw Durnford on/near the firing line with his servant alongside who was carrying the sword. |
| | | Drummer Boy 14
Posts : 2008 Join date : 2011-08-01 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Fri May 11, 2012 7:04 am | |
| Barry were's the Zulu report ?
CTSG who says that it was Durnfords sword ?
Pascal
Re Office Fort Napier Natal 11.3.80
Sword and belt taken from waggon left on the field of isandlwana. Regognized as belonging to the late Col. Durnford Re.The scabbered is missing. The sword is the one worn by Col. Durnford before he bacme a F.O.
E. Harding
Cheers |
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| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Fri May 11, 2012 9:14 am | |
| Thank you again, luckily I finally 3 figures representing Durnford, two with swords (one on foot with sword in right hand ), and one without, but none possesses dagger ... Pascal |
| | | Ray63
Posts : 705 Join date : 2012-05-05
| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Fri May 11, 2012 10:01 am | |
| - Quote :
- CTSG who says that it was Durnfords sword
I'm assuming that CTSG suggested that because the Zulu inquestion was discussing Durnford when it was mentioned. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Fri May 11, 2012 12:22 pm | |
| Oh, what misery, even with the primary sources we are sure of nothing ... So for more important issues, you can imagine the errors made by historians and peddled for 133 years ! Pascal |
| | | Drummer Boy 14
Posts : 2008 Join date : 2011-08-01 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Fri May 11, 2012 7:12 pm | |
| Pascal
Durnford used his knife to clear the carbines of his men when they jammed, so he was carrying one of those.
Cheers |
| | | Chelmsfordthescapegoat
Posts : 2593 Join date : 2009-04-24
| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Fri May 11, 2012 7:37 pm | |
| DB. He carried a pocket knife. Not a Dagger!! |
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| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Fri May 11, 2012 7:43 pm | |
| Thank you for helping me to both So this knife was not visible, it was not in holsters on his belt, when he used it not, is not it! In fact it was a pocket knife, not a weapon,, is not it! Pascal |
| | | Drummer Boy 14
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| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Fri May 11, 2012 7:44 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Fri May 11, 2012 7:50 pm | |
| You must be sure of that, I do not misrepresent my 3 Durnford. figurines. His dagger is sometimes represented on the back of his left hip in his cases ... It is that? Pascal |
| | | Drummer Boy 14
Posts : 2008 Join date : 2011-08-01 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Fri May 11, 2012 7:55 pm | |
| Durnford descibes his apperence in a letter to his family as this
"Boots, Spurs dark cord breaches, serge patrol jacket, broad beltover the shoulders and one round the waist, to the former attached a revolver and to the latter a hunting knife and ammuntion pouch. A wide-awake soft felt hat with wide brim, one side turned up and a crimson turnban wound around the hat."
His pocket knife was in his mess jacket pocket, out of sight.
Cheers |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Fri May 11, 2012 7:59 pm | |
| So was his dagger on the left front of his belt Pascal |
| | | Chard1879
Posts : 1261 Join date : 2010-04-12
| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Fri May 11, 2012 9:49 pm | |
| - Quote :
- Durnford descibes his apperence in a letter to his family as this
"Boots, Spurs dark cord breaches, serge patrol jacket, broad beltover the shoulders and one round the waist, to the former attached a revolver and to the latter a hunting knife and ammuntion pouch. A wide-awake soft felt hat with wide brim, one side turned up and a crimson turnban wound around the hat." His pocket knife was in his mess jacket pocket, out of sight. Cheers Ok where's the Dagger. If your referring to his hunting knife. It's a totally different weapon all together. - Quote :
- His pocket knife was in his mess jacket pocket, out of sight.
So he had his mess jacket on at Isandlwana. |
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| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Sat May 12, 2012 5:47 am | |
| But no, if he used it, he was in on it ... But where? Pascal |
| | | impi
Posts : 2308 Join date : 2010-07-02 Age : 44
| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Sat May 12, 2012 8:49 am | |
| He would have worn it on the side of his good arm. |
| | | Drummer Boy 14
Posts : 2008 Join date : 2011-08-01 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Sat May 12, 2012 9:51 am | |
| His pocket knife was in his mess waist coat pocket, Norris-Newman saw Shepstone remove it from there. |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: A sword for Durnford ? Sat May 12, 2012 10:01 am | |
| And his dagger is on the left front of his belt ? Pascal |
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