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Captain David Moriarity, 80th, KIA Ntombe
This photograph taken when he was in the 7th Regiment prior to his transfer to the 80th. [Mac & Shad] (Isandula Collection)
The Battle of Isandlwana: One of The Worst Defeats of The British Empire - Military History
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PostSubject: William Goulding another RD Survivor!!!!!!   Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:47 pm

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PostSubject: William Goulding    Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:29 am

Surprise , surprise , I just checked the Forsyth Roll for William Goulding , and no he isnt there ! . Did find a P. Goulding 1703 2 / 24thMedal with
Clasp 77-78-79 , Also found a W. Golding 1473 2 / 24th Medal with Clasp 77-78-79 . This may be your man ??????.
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PostSubject: William Goulding ( possibly Golding which is on the roll )    Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:35 am

I think everyone that arrived at R.D on the morning of the 23rd , has over the time, by the press etc became a '' Survivor or Participant '' . Even those that were there later have stated they were at RD , but conveniently didnt say when , if you get my
drift , no pun intended ! . I dont have access to Julians England's sons so cant check on the Goulding or Golding claims .
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PostSubject: Re: William Goulding another RD Survivor!!!!!!   Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:06 am

I have a SAGS medal with no clasp to 14338. R. GIBSON. of 5th company Royal Engineers, he is also entitled to a 2 clasp QSA medal, but also enlists up in 1915 (aged 57) regimental number 89047 and was medically discharged in 1917. On his service papers he attests that he was at Rorkes Drift. Military records states R.GIBSON born 1858 and living in ACTON when he enlisted for WW1, Salute
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PostSubject: Re: William Goulding another RD Survivor!!!!!!   Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:45 pm

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I think everyone that arrived at R.D on the morning of the 23rd , has over the time, by the press etc became a '' Survivor or Participant '' . Even those that were there later have stated they were at RD , but conveniently didnt say when , if you get my
drift , no pun intended ! . I dont have access to Julians England's sons so cant check on the Goulding or Golding claims .
Cheers 90th. You need to study mo

I doubt there was any intention to deceive in the vast majority of cases, on the part of the soldiers.
Soldiers who passed through iSandlwana or RD in the immediate aftermath of those actions would invariably have been "associated" with those places from then on.
Family descendants would have been much more likely to propagate stories and myths than the men themselves - the men most likely would have not spoken about their experiences very much. It is likely that family members will say, "my grandad did this" or that, and it is here that the inaccuracies creep in to the stories.
Hence, these tombstones that keep cropping up with details that later turn out to be inaccurate. These details were written by those burying the old soldier, they were not written by the soldier himself.
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PostSubject: Re: William Goulding another RD Survivor!!!!!!   Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:14 pm

The Soldier in the photo, appears to be wearing a Boar War medal. No Zulu War medal.
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PostSubject: William Goulding / Golding ?    Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:04 am

Hi Ulundi .
It certainly isnt a Boer War Medal as the design is not the same . I went through one of my Medal Yearbooks and although it
looks the same design as the South African General Service Medal ( zulu war medal ) the ribbon is different , the ribbon as close as
I can match it is to the British South Africa Company's medal , instituted in 1896 . As the picture is more than likely hand painted the detailing of the ribbon is in error . Jager1 will I think set us straight , hopefully .
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PostSubject: Re: William Goulding another RD Survivor!!!!!!   Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:08 am

Hi Tasker .
I agree , the majority of cases weren't meant to deceive but human nature will take over in some of cases .
Those who could see the mileage gained in the pub etc etc would certainly indicate that they were there , this was done on a couple of occasions that I'm aware of ,
but please dont ask were I saw it ! . Impossible to check in those days so some no doubt ran with it .
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PostSubject: William Goulding    Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:43 am

Hi Littlehand .
It seems William Golding and William Goulding are the same man as I mentioned earlier , so it seems the Regimental Records may be
incorrect . He ( Goulding ) is listed in The Noble 24th as Golding W. The following from the noble 24th ties in with the obituary .
Golding , William . 1473 Pvt . Enlisted 1877 . Made a monthly remittance of 2 GBP'S to a Mrs Golding . Died at Rhymney , Kent
11 / 3 / 39 , South Africa Medal with Clasp 77-78-79 ( Regimental Property ) . Maybe Bill Cainan take take a photo of it and post it for us on the Forum ? . Forgot to mention nothing to indicate he was at RD during the battle . Also Goulding is on the ' Geneology ' thread posted by Admin a couple of years ago .
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