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PostSubject: Uniform Worn?   Uniform Worn? EmptySun Apr 07, 2013 11:15 pm

In the Searches I've done for pictures of Captain William Eccles Mostyn, he always seems to be shown wearing a suit, rather than a Captain's Uniform....so....did he in fact wear one in the Battle of Isandlwana, and if so, what would it have looked like?
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PostSubject: Re: Uniform Worn?   Uniform Worn? EmptySun Apr 07, 2013 11:36 pm

See what you mean regarding photo of him in his suit. Possibly taken in England prior to Zulu War, he would have been wearing regular uniform. i have only ever come across the photo of him in his suit!!!
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PostSubject: Uniform Worn ?   Uniform Worn? EmptySun Apr 07, 2013 11:51 pm

Hi Capt Mostyn .
If you go to the thread ' Anglo zulu war Memoribilia ' , There is a link '' Very rare photos of members of the 1 / 24th and 2 / 24th '' that features photographs from an Album in my possesion , these were kindly posted by Admin , at least 2 , possibly 3 Pictures of Mostyn in Uniform . As to which uniform he wore at Isandlwana is anyone's guess . Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Uniform Worn?   Uniform Worn? EmptyMon Apr 08, 2013 12:13 am

Mostyn's in the batch of photo's posted on the:

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In uniform..
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PostSubject: Re: Uniform Worn?   Uniform Worn? EmptyMon Apr 08, 2013 12:25 am

Much better photo of him, than the one in his suit... Your a luckily man 90th..
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PostSubject: Re: Uniform Worn?   Uniform Worn? EmptyMon Apr 08, 2013 12:31 am

Thanks for those, 90th, they will come in very useful Very Happy

I'm presuming that it would have been the standard Red that he wore in those?

I ask mainly because in 'Zulu Dawn' (I know....hardly the best reference....), there are at least three styles of Uniform seen....the standard Red, the Pale Blue, and the darker one

You mentioned a possible third picture, 90th?

Which one was that?
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PostSubject: Re: Uniform Worn?   Uniform Worn? EmptyMon Apr 08, 2013 6:10 am

Red uniform. Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Uniform Worn?   Uniform Worn? EmptyMon Apr 08, 2013 12:04 pm

Hi Capt Mostyn .
In one of the pics Mostyn appears to be wearing the Blue Patrol jacket , which was very popular , Coghill from memory was wearing one . If I'm not mistaken the 5 surviving officers from Isandlwana were all wearing the Blue Patrol Jacket . I just checked my Album and there are 3 pics of Mostyn . I'm positive I posted all the album , just go back and have a look as they are all named , the Mostyn one's are anyhow . Salute
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PostSubject: Uniform Worn ?    Uniform Worn? EmptyMon Apr 08, 2013 12:34 pm

Hi Capt Mostyn .
The Pale blue uniform in Zulu Dawn never existed , its a touch or artistic Licence , the Darker blue is basically what the Patrol jacket looked like . Go back to the ' Anglo Zulu war Militaria ' thread and then to the photo link , scroll down to the 2nd set posted by Admin and the 5th photo down is Mostyn in a Patrol Jacket . There are 3 pics of Mostyn in the album , I've sent the other lot to admin hopefully he'll post them when he finds the time . Glad you like them . Salute
Cheers 90th. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Uniform Worn?   Uniform Worn? EmptyMon Apr 08, 2013 9:07 pm

Thanks for that info on the Pale Blue Uniform, 90th Very Happy

Yeah....I kinda figured that it might have been an error when they had a Colonel and a Lt wearing the same Uniform ....

That said....is the Patrol Jacket pretty much as depicted by the Colonels in Zulu Dawn (the one worn by Burt Lancaster and Denholm Elliot, for example), or were they different?

Found the third photo you mentioned (on the second page....Doh!) Very Happy

Look forward to seeing more of your photos as/when Admin gets the time to post them Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Uniform Worn?   Uniform Worn? EmptyMon Apr 08, 2013 9:13 pm

Incidently....

Are there any Books (or a decent Web Site) that you know of that might show Colour Uniforms?
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PostSubject: Uniform worn ?   Uniform Worn? EmptyMon Apr 08, 2013 9:24 pm

Hi Capt Mostyn .
Yes , there are a couple of decent books showing the uniforms , I'll post some links later this afternoon after work .
Somebody may actually post some books before I get home . I'm certain though that this has been discussed , possibly
type in '' uniforms '' in the search box and see what comes up . The search box is on the left hand side underneath
'' Our Favourite Web Links '' .
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PostSubject: Re: Uniform Worn?   Uniform Worn? EmptyMon Apr 08, 2013 9:39 pm

Thanks, I'll have a look at that

Found this though....would this be similar to what Captain Mostyn would have worn?

http://fineartamerica.com/featured/captain-beresford-in-the-zulu-wars-james-edwin-mcconnell.html
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PostSubject: Re: Uniform Worn?   Uniform Worn? EmptyMon Apr 08, 2013 10:21 pm

Captain Mostyn,

No that illustration is something of a flight of fantasy by a 1950's-60's illustrator. Beresford was a cavalry officer rather than an infantryman.

In my opinion, on 22nd January 1879 W. E. Mostyn would have worn either a scarlet undress "Indian Pattern" unlined frock or undress blue Infantry Pattern blue patrol jacket. See 90th's photographs as examples.

Best to try to ignore "Zulu Dawn" - although it did a better job on the uniforms than "Zulu" it was still wide of the mark.

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PostSubject: Uniform Worn /   Uniform Worn? EmptyTue Apr 09, 2013 8:05 am

Hi Capt Mostyn .
I have the following 2 books , both have coloured plates showing Uniforms etc , I dont know of any other reputable books to have
Coloured Plates in regard to Uniforms . This is as cheap as I could find them .



http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/1855321092/ref=sr_1_1_up_1_main_olp?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1365490793&sr=1-1&condition=used

Absolute Bargain the first half dozen or so ! , I'm thinking maybe the prices are wrong !! scratch . The Silver book is a larger than normal sized book , postage may be a touch more ? , cant remember if I had to pay extra or not .



http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?kn=1872004237&sts=t&x=35&y=9

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PostSubject: Uniform Worn ?    Uniform Worn? EmptyTue Apr 09, 2013 8:08 am

I checked ebay Capt Mostyn and they were more expensive ! .
Cheers 90th. You need to study mo
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PostSubject: Re: Uniform Worn?   Uniform Worn? EmptyTue Apr 09, 2013 8:17 am

Thanks for that, I'll look out for it Very Happy

Yeah....just checked E-Bay myself....cheapest I could find was $12.36, but with $38.44 Postage :-/
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PostSubject: Uniform Worn ?    Uniform Worn? EmptyTue Apr 09, 2013 8:31 am

Yes , thats what I meant . :p;: . I couldnt believe the postage charge , surely he / she / they are dreaming ! No No No No
Forgot to add , Kwajimu is correct , the picture of Beresford is also artistic Licence , seems to be modelled on the US Cavalry for mine ! . scratch scratch . It, I think was from an American Website if I'm not mistaken ? , although I do have a copy of that picture in post card size .
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