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PostSubject: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptyTue May 09, 2017 1:18 pm

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What do we know about this photograph?
Is it known if the three officers were particular good friends?
Where was it taken?

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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptyTue May 09, 2017 5:37 pm

Supposedly in Coghill's tent
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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptyTue May 09, 2017 5:53 pm

In Pietmaritzburg before the campaign started then I assume?
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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptyWed May 10, 2017 9:55 am

Taken in Natal, November 1878, complete with campaign beards!
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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptyFri May 12, 2017 7:50 pm

Hi Ciroferrara

The above photograph is published in Ian Knight's book "ZULU, Isandlwana & Rorke's Drift 22-23 January 1879"

The caption reads:-

"Three officers of the 24th photographed on the eve of the Anglo-Zulu War: Lieutenants Cavaye (left) and Porteous (centre), with Captain William Degacher. Porteous wears the officers' scarlet frock, the other two dark blue patrol jackets. All three die at Isandlwana. ("SB" Bourquin)


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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptyFri May 12, 2017 10:40 pm

Graves1879,

The identification is erroneous left to right: Porteous; Cavaye (standing) & William Degacher.

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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptyFri May 12, 2017 10:46 pm

I have seen a photo of the Cavaye Family when Charles Walter must have been five or six and He
has a very dominant role as in the photo I posted above.

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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptySun May 14, 2017 6:39 pm

Does anyone know what the sash Cavaye is wearing denotes?
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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptySun May 14, 2017 6:48 pm

Ciroferrara,

That he is a commissioned officer.

Sergeants - in most, but not all regiments - wore the sash over the right shoulder.

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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptySun May 14, 2017 8:34 pm

Ah I wondered if it meant he was officer of the day

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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptySun May 14, 2017 9:14 pm

Ciroferrara,

If he were I doubt he would have been able to slip out to the Kisch Brothers' Studio for the photograph.

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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptyMon Apr 30, 2018 5:36 pm

I've just received a copy of this photo from RRW museum. And it definitely looks like a studio photo not coghills tent
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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptyMon Apr 30, 2018 6:22 pm

Campaign chair. Campaign beards. You can see the fly of the tent. I always think, looking at the photo, how tired they look.
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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptyMon Apr 30, 2018 7:09 pm

But why in a tent? It seems strange coghil put up with it. And isnt in the photo why not deagachers tent? They do look knackered though. (not looking for an an argument)
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PostSubject: Porteous , Cavaye & Deagacher photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptyMon Apr 30, 2018 11:37 pm

Hi Ciroferrara
On a lighter side , if it's taken in Coghill's tent maybe he took the photo which would explain his absence ? Joker
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90th I like that explanation
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It's the only one I could come up with at short notice Ciroferrara ! Joker Joker
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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptyWed May 02, 2018 11:14 am

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Just out of interest!

"Captain Degacher was the maternal grandfather of Academy Award-winning actor and World War II British Army officer David Niven"
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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptyThu May 03, 2018 1:33 pm

Peter,

Further to your just out interest comment, another little snippet of trivia.

In 1868 the great-grandparents and grandmother of David Niven’s batman in the Second World War were held hostage, amongst the force that rescued them was a certain Frederic Augustus Thesiger, later the 2nd Baron Lord  Chelmsford.

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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptyThu May 03, 2018 8:18 pm

John, it really is a small world!
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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptyThu May 03, 2018 10:46 pm

Peter,

Especially when you know the identity of Lt.-Col. Niven’s batman - Private Peter Alexander von Ustinov, later Sir Peter Ustinov.

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Really!
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PostSubject: Re: Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo   Porteous Cavaye Deagacher Photo EmptyThu May 03, 2018 11:31 pm

I would never have put Ustinov in the army! But of course you are correct.

"Ustinov served as a private in the British Army during World War II, including time spent as batman to David Niven while writing the Niven film The Way Ahead. The difference in their ranks‍—‌Niven was a lieutenant-colonel and Ustinov a private‍—‌made their regular association militarily impossible; to solve the problem, Ustinov was appointed as Niven's batman"

Got anymore like that John.

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Unbelievable JY ! Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
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