WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Film Zulu Dawn:Lt. Col. Pulleine: His Lordship is of the cetain opinion that it's far too difficult an approach to be chosen by the Zulu command.Col. Durnford: Yes, well... difficulty never deterred a Zulu commander.
 
HomeHome  CalendarCalendar  GalleryGallery  PublicationsPublications  FAQFAQ  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» Prince Imperial Leave Request at Woolwich
Today at 5:13 pm by Isandula

» Farnborough Hill
Yesterday at 9:46 pm by 24th foot

» Rorke's Drift
Yesterday at 8:25 pm by xhosa2000

» Missing five hours question
Yesterday at 6:59 pm by SRB1965

» Rifles at Rorkes Drift......not the usual Zulu/Martini question....
Yesterday at 9:07 am by SRB1965

» Captain Walter Stafford NNC medals
Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:04 am by 90th

» Gerald French, liar or not?
Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:24 pm by Frank Allewell

» A bit more fun research!
Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:22 am by rusteze

» Trooper H. Boik (NMP) and Dartnell patrol Isandlwana, 22 January 1879
Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:55 am by whizz-bang

» Norris-Newman
Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:52 pm by Kenny

» Some fun research
Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:47 am by Frank Allewell

» Isipezi Hill
Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:19 pm by ALLENG

» Zulu shield question
Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:03 am by SRB1965

» Buyer beware!..
Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:47 pm by xhosa2000

» Colonel Farquhar Glennie
Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:48 pm by SRB1965

Captain Ronald G.E. Campbell, Coldstream Guards. killed at Hlobane
[Mac & Shad] Captain Ronald G.E. Campbell, Coldstream Guards --killed at Hlobane (Mac and Shad) (Isandula Collection)
Rob Caskie at a Showcase Event 2014
Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
Top posters
90th
 
littlehand
 
Frank Allewell
 
ADMIN
 
Chelmsfordthescapegoat
 
John
 
Mr M. Cooper
 
1879graves
 
impi
 
rusteze
 
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
Top posting users this month
90th
 
xhosa2000
 
Frank Allewell
 
rusteze
 
John Young
 
SRB1965
 
Tee
 
24th foot
 
ALLENG
 
Kenny
 
Most active topics
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Durnford was he capable.5
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Durnford was he capable. 4
The ammunition question
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.

Share | 
 

 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery

View previous topic View next topic Go down 
AuthorMessage
Rory Reynolds



Posts : 9
Join date : 2017-07-02

PostSubject: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   Mon Jul 31, 2017 2:57 pm

G'day all. I have long had an 1879 clasp medal to 267 Pte. W.J. Montgomery of the 1/13th - attempts at finding a personnel file on him have yielded no reward - the same applies to the muster rolls at Kew - he is M.I.A.

Can anyone tell me more about what the 1/13th got up to so that I can at least pin him down to some of the actions? I know he obviously wasn't at Isandlwana or Rorke's Drift but, if memory serves they were at Khambula, Hlobane and Ulundi.

What I can share is that he was William J. Montgomery and that his date of discharge was 13 May 1882 (in South Africa) and that was after 7 years 160 days service (5 years 358 days) with good conduct. That much I was able to find on him on FMP.

Regards

Rory
Back to top Go down
John Young

avatar

Posts : 1283
Join date : 2013-09-08
Age : 61
Location : Lower Sheering, Essex

PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:41 pm

Rory,

According to the Medal Roll the bar should be 78-9.

The battalion's major actions were Khambula and Ulundi.

As you can't find him in the muster rolls, did you check those on detached duties? As the 1st/13th supplied men to the 2nd Squadron, Mounted Infantry which served with the Coastal Columns. Just a thought.

Regards,

John Y.
Back to top Go down
Frank Allewell

avatar

Posts : 6422
Join date : 2009-09-21
Age : 70
Location : Cape Town South Africa

PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:38 pm

Rory
This may be of interest as WJ stayed behind in South Africa,
Document 1 of 3
DEPOT KAB
SOURCE LC
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 1103
SYSTEM 03
REFERENCE UC9347
PART 1
DESCRIPTION LIMITED COMPANIES: ACT 46 OF 1926. WILLIAM J MONTGOMERY
(PROPRIETARY) LIMITED.
STARTING 1937
ENDING 1937



Document 2 of 3
DEPOT TAB
SOURCE WLD
TYPE LEER
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 2605/1973
PART 1
DESCRIPTION OPPOSED APPLICATION. RNJ (PTY.) LTD. VERSUS WILLIAM J MONTGOMERY
(PTY.) LTD.
STARTING 19730000
ENDING 19730000



Document 3 of 3
DEPOT TAB
SOURCE WLD
TYPE LEER
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 253/1974
PART 1
DESCRIPTION EX PARTE APPLICATION. ALBERT RUSKIN IN RE: WILLIAM J MONTGOMERY
(PTY.) LTD.
STARTING 19740000
ENDING 19740000


The (PTY) Ltd is a company designation akin to Incorporated.

Regards
Back to top Go down
Rory Reynolds



Posts : 9
Join date : 2017-07-02

PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:06 pm

Thanks John and Frank.

John - a friend checked the muster rolls for me at Kew - I didn't think about the detached duties angle. How would one go about finding out? Not being able to determine more about the man is intensely frustrating.

Regards

Rory
Back to top Go down
John Young

avatar

Posts : 1283
Join date : 2013-09-08
Age : 61
Location : Lower Sheering, Essex

PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:20 pm

Rory,

There's a section within the muster and pay rolls for those on detached duties.

Please ignore my above remark, 1st/13th supplied men to the 1st Squadron, Mounted Infantry, which were initially with No. 3 Column, before being transferred to Wood's command after the failed first invasion.

Regards,

John Y.
Back to top Go down
ymob

avatar

Posts : 1935
Join date : 2010-10-22
Location : france

PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:38 pm

Bonsoir,

There were 6 unnamed infantrymen belonged to the 1/13th Regiment at Helpmekaar the 22nd January 1879.
Source: "The Defense of Helpmekaar 22nd January 1879" by Graham Alexander, essay revised and updated by Julian Whybra, "Studies in the Zulu War 1879: Vol. III" by Julian Whybra.

Cheers.

Frédéric
Back to top Go down
http://frbomy@hotmail.fr
rusteze

avatar

Posts : 2187
Join date : 2010-06-02

PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:07 am

This is Montgomery's entry on the medal roll - looks like just 1879 bar to me.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Steve
Back to top Go down
John Young

avatar

Posts : 1283
Join date : 2013-09-08
Age : 61
Location : Lower Sheering, Essex

PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:31 am

Steve,

Perhaps I should not accepted Roy Dutton's book as fact. You need to study mo

John Y.
Back to top Go down
Rory Reynolds



Posts : 9
Join date : 2017-07-02

PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:20 am

Apologies gents - Montgomery's medal is indeed a 1878/79 clasp.

Regards

Rory
Back to top Go down
rusteze

avatar

Posts : 2187
Join date : 2010-06-02

PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:15 am

My error. The final "Yes" in the right hand column of the roll is "Engaged against Sekukuni". Strange there are two Sekukuni coumns.


Steve
Back to top Go down
John Young

avatar

Posts : 1283
Join date : 2013-09-08
Age : 61
Location : Lower Sheering, Essex

PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:49 pm

Steve,

That's because of the two campaigns against Sekhukune fought by British & Colonial forces. The one in 1878 and that of 1879.

John Y.
Back to top Go down
xhosa2000

avatar

Posts : 875
Join date : 2015-11-24

PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:37 pm

Both covered in William Wright's A British Lion in Zululand..
the latter one extensively.
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content




PostSubject: Re: 1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery   

Back to top Go down
 
1/13th Pte. W.J. Montgomery
View previous topic View next topic Back to top 
Page 1 of 1

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: GENERAL DISCUSSION AREA-
Jump to: