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PostSubject: Medal auction   Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:54 pm

For those of you who are interested, The late Terry Sole's collection of medals are up for Auction with Spinks. Other medal auctioneers etc. are available.
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PostSubject: Re: Medal auction   Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:50 pm

Another N5 RA medal among them for Conroy, but no mention of Isandhlwana in his papers this time. Estimates seem unrealistically low. Lots of Colonials as you might expect.

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PostSubject: Re: Medal auction   Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:39 am

Hi,

Having glanced through the catalogue (and bearing in mind - it is an auction) - the guide prices seem very low compared to buying through dealers.......still too rich for my blood but maybe one day....

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PostSubject: Medal Auction   Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:20 am

Those prices are are a long way short of what they'll realise , there are estimates and ridiculous estimates , those are ridiculous ! , you can safely virtually double those estimated prices for the 1879 conflict medals .
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PostSubject: Re: Medal auction   Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:19 am

A bit of a mystery. Lot 598 in the Spink auction catalogue is Penn Symons copy of Historical Records of 24th Regiment. It is specially bound in padded green leather with green silk endpapers and bound in are an extra nine original watercolours by Richard Simkin. Spink describe it as unique.
But it is not unique because I have an exact same copy which also has nine additional original watercolours by Simkin. My copy belonged to William Weallens who, at the time of publication in 1892, was adjutant of the SWB. Weallens had been out with Chelmsford at Isandhlwana and had subsequently presented the Colour to Queen Victoria at Windsor. The Penn Symons copy is the only other example I have ever seen and I am speculating that either a small number were presented by the publishers to senior officers of the SWB or perhaps to those involved, like Penn Symons, in editing the regimental history?  

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PostSubject: Medal Auction   Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:22 am

Hi Steve
Yes it seems like there were a select few 'given out ' .
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PostSubject: Re: Medal auction   Thu Jul 12, 2018 6:27 pm

Rather have Penn Symons signed copy of "Narrative of Field Operations Connected with the Zulu War of 1879--1881 first editon
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PostSubject: Re: Medal auction   Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:53 pm

That's very nice Ron. He hasn't made any little marginal notes I suppose?

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PostSubject: Re: Medal auction   Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:24 pm

Steve, I don't think so, but I'll check, and if there are any, I'll get back to you.
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PostSubject: Medal Auction   Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:18 am

Excellent Ron , very nice .
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PostSubject: Re: Medal auction   Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:04 pm

Greetings All

My copy of the Historical Records once belonged to R.E.Atkinson; maybe related to C.J. who lost his life at Isandlwana.
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PostSubject: Re: Medal auction   Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:42 pm

Steve
Does your copy contain much information that is not available elsewhere?
In other words, is it a worthwhile buy for someone with a large collection of Zulu war books?

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PostSubject: Re: Medal auction   Sun Jul 15, 2018 8:57 pm

Hi Kate

No, the text is the same as the standard edition of the 1892 regimental history, it is the extra watercolours of the uniforms of the 24th that is different. Some of those watercolours appear as prints in Atkinson's later 1937 regimental history. But I would certainly say that any edition is a valuable addition to an AZW library.
The 1893 is the only AZW volume in my library where I am happy to have multiples. Simply because you can sometimes find copies that belonged to AZW personalities. As I say, my prize edition was owned by William Weallens, I have another that belonged to Courtney Vor Trower who was also out with Chelmsford on 22nd and a third owned by Colonel Ellis Lee of the 65th (ex 2/24th) which includes an invitation to contribute to the commemorative brass to the NCOs and men who fell at Isandhlwana and Rorke's Drift in Brecon Cathedral in September 1897. I find it quite evocative that these volumes have been in the hands of those who were there.

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Thanks Steve Salute Salute
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