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PostSubject: Put a name to these chaps.    Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:49 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Put a name to these chaps.    Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:20 pm

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Alfred Saxty, Caleb Wood, Frank Bourne,  ? ,  John Jobbins, William Cooper

Gateshead Tattoo 1934

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PostSubject: Re: Put a name to these chaps.    Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:59 am

I can probably hear the laughter issuing from Essex now.......( Joker ) but having had a nose on the internet, it says that there were 5 surviving members of the RD garrison (at Gateshead) - the ones named by Kate above.

Is it possible that the uniformed officer (who looks younger) was a 'modern' representative from the SWB?

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PostSubject: Re: Put a name to these chaps.    Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:34 am

The serving officer was Capt H M StJ Carpendale MC South Wales Borderers. During the tattoo at Revensworth Castle 2nd Battalion South Wales Borderers re-acted the Defence of Rorke’s Drift under the direction of Capt Carpendale over the period 7-14 July 1934.
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PostSubject: Re: Put a name to these chaps.    Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:42 am

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PostSubject: Re: Put a name to these chaps.    Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:15 pm

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From The South Wales Borderers ( 24th Regiment of Foot ) 1881-1969
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PostSubject: Re: Put a name to these chaps.    Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:00 pm

Thanks Lee. Great photo. Very close to the original painting.
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PostSubject: Re: Put a name to these chaps.    Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:31 pm

Hi,

This may be a strange question (and its not meant to be anyway 'racist') but where did the (few) 'Zulus' come from in the photograph above.

Its been estimated that 10,000 Afro-Caribbean people lived in the UK (total population - around 46m) at the start of WW2.

Was there an attempt to recruit the 'Zulus' from the local Geordies or were they Europeans in make-up?

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PostSubject: Re: Put a name to these chaps.    Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:45 pm

Certainly at the Cardiff Tattoos in 1968 and in 1979, where the Defence of Rorke’s was re-created for audiences, the Zulus were members of the regiment dressed up, i.e. 1 SWB and 1 RRW.  This was most likely the case in 1934 at Gateshead. I am not sure this approach would be possible today - how the world has changed.
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PostSubject: Re: Put a name to these chaps.    Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:23 pm

Probably something like we see here on these two postcards from 1912

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PostSubject: Re: Put a name to these chaps.    Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:19 am

Quite out of the blue the programme for the 1934 Gateshead Tattoo turned up on ebay. There is a description of the defence which is pretty standard but the sequence of the display is quite interesting.
I have also included a screen grab from Pathe News which shows the 2nd Battalion SWB lined up for the finale - I don't know whether the five gentleman on the right are the original defenders who were present. Finally, why do you think that it was that De Neuville's painting was portrayed in the tableau and not Lady Butler's?
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PostSubject: Re: Put a name to these chaps.    Fri Aug 17, 2018 2:44 pm

Your question is answered in the final paragraph describing this item in the Tattoo brochure - a Marquette (an initial working copy) by de Neuville of the Defence of Rorke’s Drift is held by the regiment (now The Royal Welsh). The full sized version is in the NSW National Gallery in Sydney. Lady Butler’s painting is part of the Royal Collection and hangs at the top of the staircase in St James’s Palace. I suspect that the figures in blue are those representing Army Medical Services and Army Commissariat for the display. The former defenders attending that day were wearing civilian clothes/suits.
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