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 Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879

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Richie



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PostSubject: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:54 pm

Hi All,
I moved this to a different thread as I am progressing with it and as I previously said I would keep you up to date with progress.

Today I have painted and completed the base work terrain, put a base coat on the horse and oiled the base with Danish oil.

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PostSubject: Re: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:34 pm

Looks great so farRichie. Really looking forward to seeing the finished product. How much longer do you think it'll take? Also, is that a MH or a carbine in his saddle holster?
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PostSubject: mounted 17th lancer   Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:16 pm

Hi Richle.
Looking good , I think it will be fantastic once you are finished .
cheers 90th.
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PostSubject: Re: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:43 pm

Hi Tasker & 90th,
Thanks for looking, Tasker I can certainly answer your second question - it is a carbine. When I get 5 mins tomorrow I will post the carbine on this thread as well as the Martini Henry. They were built my a mate of mine especially for me and are now available to buy. The detail is superb on his weapons and I know for his 1/16 scale Martini Henry he took the measurements from an actual weapon then scaled it down. He then did the same for the carbine.
As for finishing the figure I want it ready for a model show in April so I can exhibit it in the model competition. (This will be my first time) It largely depends on work, family and how long it will take the oil paints to dry on the horse. The figure will be painted in acrylics and these dry in minutes.

90th thanks for all the support it makes a real difference to the motivation.
Thanks again lads
cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:59 am

Hi All,
As promised the photo's of the 1/16 scale model weapons Martini Henry & Carbine. The are available from his website Reedees Miniatures Limited contact info reedeesminiatures@hotmail.co.uk

They would make a great piece painted and mounted on their own. The quality of product and service is first class, with minimal clean up required why not check them out.

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PostSubject: mounted 17th lancer   Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:32 am

Hi Richie.
I'm no expert on Models of firearms but they look fantastic , even unpainted .
cheers 90th. :study:
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PostSubject: Re: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:52 pm

Richie


for 100% accuracy you need to remove the sling swivels the IC1 cavalry carbine did not have them, This is what it should look like


The Lancers were the first regiment to be issued with the IC1 carbine and see service in the AZW, albeit from March, first recorded issue was the 9th Lancers in Afghanistan Nov 1878.
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PostSubject: Re: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:31 pm

Hi 90th,
Thanks for looking in, I must admit his weapons are suberb he makes all sorts of periods, types and scales and for the money they cost super value.

Hi Neil,
Thanks for the correction, I actually did remove them for my Lancer figure so it would fit in the pouch. If I remember correctly to save time my mate converted the Martini Henry in order to knock me out a batch of carbines quickly. I will let him know.

Neil just for future reference is this applicable to all carbines - no sling swivels??? Might sound a daft question but I am certainly no expert and would value your input.

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PostSubject: Re: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:39 pm

The detail is going to be amazing Richie, keep up the good work.
Can't wait to see the finished model.
Not to pre-empt Neil, as he is the expert, but I am imagining that it is just the cavalry weapons that didn't need the sling swivels.
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PostSubject: Re: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Mon Jan 23, 2012 5:49 pm

Bonsoir Richie


No sling swivels for the carabines because,after 1862 the carbines are in a 2ft.1in.leather bucket to hang from the saddle behind the right legs

And from 1878 an additional ten -round expense pouch for attachment to the lancer's girdle was authorised

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PostSubject: Re: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:00 pm

Hi Takser,
Thanks for dropping in, I just hope I can maintain the level and accuracy.

Hi Pascal,
Thanks for the information on the carbines very much appreciated. I want to make some standing figures in the future with carbines I know now I will not make a mistake by adding slings.

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PostSubject: Re: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:25 pm

Best check with Neil Aspinshaw Richie, I would PM him if I were you. It could be that infantry weapons had the slings so the soldier could carry it. Obviously, the cavalrymen let the horse do the hard work.
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PostSubject: Re: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:05 pm

Richie

The IC1 Artillery Carbine became standard issue in LOC 3615 21.7.1879, with the following comments "this carbine is fitted with swivels for a sling".

The other notable differences is the nosecap, elongated for the bayonet, also the rod had a hollow end, the Cavalry carbine had a domed end to ensure it slid into the saddle bucket. Like wise the receiver had the edges softened to allow the former and the sight tip wings to protect it.

Here is a study of an IC1 from my collection, c/w its saddle bucket, The P79 sawback bayonet is for the Artillery Carbine.

As I mentioned earlier, It was only in March that the IC1 made its entrance into Zululand, Enfield has difficulty converting its works to accept the IC1, production until Nov 1878 was only 30,000 with priority going to those regiments in Afghanistan.

The IC1 Artillery in my Collection is dated 1877, but this is not the issue date, the IC1 is "Carbine Interchangeable Mk1" testimony to the fact Enfield could change barrels and actions to the new pattern on demand.
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PostSubject: Re: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:22 pm

Hi Neil,
Thanks again for your input, brilliant mate. I compliment you on your carbine and saddle bucket, the petina is wonderful, would you mind I will save that photo for my painting reference.
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PostSubject: mounted 17th lancer   Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:18 am

Hi Neil.
What can one say ! , wonderful Pieces from the past . Shocked .
cheers 90th
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PostSubject: Re: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:58 am

Dear Richie

In a few months, I too am going to have to make many lancers and dragons to 1/56 th scale little armies.

So I start to tell me ...

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PostSubject: Re: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:49 pm

Hello Pascal,
If you need any reference material or help for your projects just let me know.
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PostSubject: Re: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:12 am

Hi Richie

I am confident that Michael Barthorp for the British Army and Barry and Julian for the Zulu army, it helped me a lot the last two for making my 40-50 Zulu warriors of the inDluyengwe regiment , otherwise I would do a lot of crap, that makes you a lot of figures in 1 / 56 th or the details are still visible, you can not allow you to do stupid things because they take weeks to repair ...

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PostSubject: NMP troopers, figurines   Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:59 am



Hi Pascal,
How far are you with making the NMP troopers?


regards


barry
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PostSubject: Re: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Fri Jan 27, 2012 11:23 am

Hi Barry,

As soon as I finished my warriors inDluyengwe , I make Durnford with the NMC and the NMP troopers Who Were With Him When He died at Isandhlwana ...

In April I could put my inDluyengwe on the forum and in July, Durnford and the NMP and NMC troopers ...,

It is a long-term job ...

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PostSubject: Re: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:51 pm

Hi All,
A small update to the project, I have started to paint the horse in oils. I have laid down a couple of coats and started to blend the highlights and shadows for some depth. Hopefully in the next couple of weeks the way things are going I can have the horse completed.
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PostSubject: mounted 17th lancer   Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:07 am

Hi Richie .
Outstanding mate , even at this stage !. Salute
cheers 90th.
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PostSubject: Re: Mounted 17th Lancer Zulu War 1879   Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:36 am

Bravo Richie ...
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