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PostSubject: Bad troops...   Bad troops... EmptyWed Apr 24, 2013 7:23 am

Hi all

In fact I think that, I think that LC should never have to use black or white colonial troops, because their quality was really doubtful, all units confused ...

I think with fewer columns ,2 or 3 , but each with a bigger numbers of veritables soldiers than he had made ​​for the first invasion and using only imperial troops, it would have been for the better ...

Colonial troops were just good to patrol the borders of Zululand...

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PostSubject: Bad Troops    Bad troops... EmptyWed Apr 24, 2013 7:28 am

Hi Pascal .
LC had no choice but to use Black or Colonial troops , he had asked for Imperial troops but he was told he couldnt have them , because England was more worried about Russian intentions than any perceived Zulu threat . LC was not instructed to start the zulu war as he and Frere basically did , but he was told and urged to find a peaceful solution ! . So the Invasion was possibly doomed from the beginning , especially as LC didnt follow his own instructions once in Zululand ! .
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PostSubject: Re: Bad troops...   Bad troops... EmptyWed Apr 24, 2013 10:48 am

Marsupial Very Happy

He only managed to get even receipt reinforcements before the first invasion, internal organization and too many columns are the cause of his defeat ...

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PostSubject: Re: Bad troops...   Bad troops... EmptyThu May 09, 2013 7:31 am

There was plenty of Imperial troops to attack the Zululand organized into a single column that would have fought and won two or three battles before arriving at Ulundi and that was it ...

The colonial troops have monitored the borders ... This is all what were able to do ...

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PostSubject: Re: Bad troops...   Bad troops... EmptyThu May 09, 2013 5:41 pm

Pascal,

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Likewise for armchair or wargames table generalship.

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PostSubject: Re: Bad troops...   Bad troops... EmptyThu May 09, 2013 9:19 pm

Pascal do you not think, that the colonials and native troops, were fighting for the British to help rid themselves of the threats from the Zulu king.. They were not forced to fight for the British. And most were as good as the British soldiers. Isandlwana was a good example.
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PostSubject: Re: Bad troops...   Bad troops... EmptyFri May 10, 2013 7:34 am

Hi kwajimu1879 and Mr Greaves

Mr Greaves write Threats from the Zulu king???

What is this legend ? It was invented by Frere and LC as an excuse a attack of a free and independent nation and in the XXI th century, there are still those who believe that ...???

Mr Greaves write They were not forced to fight for the British ??? So here is the icing on the cake ! You have to read "Black soldiers of the Queen", and see if they had a choice ...

Mr Greaves write Most were as good as the British soldiers. Isandlwana was a good example ???

Second icing on the cake ! The black units were quasiement null and white colonial units were too small in numbers to have any impact on the battle.

I have wanted to see the Zulu war without the imperial troops but with the same total number of invading troops,but only colonial troops, even if there were only white colonial troops ... Very Happy

In a fight, a quarter of them will keep the horses and carbines will never rifles and "British" colonial soldiers will never British Impérial soldiers ...

The colonial troops are only good to cause Zulu attacks , and again, at Inyezane and Isandhlwana, which was inadvertently or to be slaughtered like at Hlobana or cowardly massacre bruised and exhausted men like at Kambula, Gingindlovu and Ulundi ...

kwajimu1879 write
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.Likewise for wargames table or armchair generalship.

Jim ,this is true, but I have rarely seen wargamers as stupid as the generals of armies ...

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PostSubject: Re: Bad troops...   Bad troops... EmptyFri May 10, 2013 5:59 pm

Pascal MAHE wrote:
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In fact I think that, I think that LC should never have to use black or white colonial troops, because their quality was really doubtful,

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Pascal

Pascal, these black colonial troops were Zulus.
I doubt you will find anyone on here who would label Zulu fighters as "bad trooops" - quite the oppopsite in fact Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Bad troops...   Bad troops... EmptySat May 11, 2013 6:21 am

Hi Tasker

Tasker write : Pascal, these black colonial troops were Zulus. Tasker I not Don\'t agree so here a other icing on the cake ! You have to read "Black soldiers of the Queen"They are very, very little of Zulus at Isandhlwana, a company, the rest were people whose ancestors had fled the Zulus in previous decades !

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PostSubject: Re: Bad troops...   Bad troops... EmptySat May 11, 2013 11:20 am

PASCAL so what you are saying sir is that the native troops were no good and bad shots?
the colonial troops were no good and bad shots?
the british regulars were bad shots and badly led?
and the zulus were the most wonderful troops of all?
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PostSubject: Re: Bad troops...   Bad troops... EmptySat May 11, 2013 11:22 am

That's because, Pascal as Zulu blood running through his veins Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Bad troops...   Bad troops... EmptySat May 11, 2013 11:36 am

Hello Monsieur Free1954

I only saying sir is that the all the black colonial troops were bad troops for this war and bad shots...

All the white colonial troops were bad troops and bad shots and the british imperial troops were bad shots ,badly led but very good soldiers in general !

And the Zulu were not the most wonderful of all troops ! Because they were very bad shots and unable to adapt to a new system of war versus the white , like other black nations are doing in South Africa...

Everything is true! Just read the narrative of campaign and battles...And yes I have Zulu and Lakota blood running through my veins

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PostSubject: Bad troops   Bad troops... EmptySat May 11, 2013 12:26 pm

:p;: good old Pascal.

Maybe I shouldn't have given you the nickname of 'Pascal the Rascal', I should have given you the nickname of,,,,,,,,,,,,,wait for it,,,,,

"Pasculu the Zulu"

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The Lakota people are members of the Sioux aren't they Pascal?

Best regards my friend.

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PostSubject: Re: Bad troops...   Bad troops... EmptySat May 11, 2013 12:33 pm

sweet jesus, lakota and zulu. if you can't run them down, you'll ride them down. thanks sir for the reply.
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Lakota of heart Very Happy , but also, Commanche and Chiricahua of heart Very Happy !

You can guess why or you're heartless ...

Free1954 find and read my topic on Captain Lambert on this forum ...

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PostSubject: Bad troops   Bad troops... EmptySun May 12, 2013 3:57 pm

:p;: :p;: EGADS! Rascal, you are an Heinz 57 aren't you :p;: :p;:
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PostSubject: Re: Bad troops...   Bad troops... EmptySun May 12, 2013 4:24 pm

But please Mr Martin. Cooper write in English, if I do not understand anything !

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PostSubject: Re: Bad troops...   Bad troops... EmptyMon May 13, 2013 7:19 pm

Stop it Martin! :p;: :p;: :p;:

Pasculu strikes again!
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PostSubject: Re: Bad troops...   Bad troops... EmptyTue May 14, 2013 6:35 am

Pascalu the striker ... :p;:
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PostSubject: Bad troops   Bad troops... EmptyTue May 14, 2013 3:53 pm

:p;: :p;: :p;:

Don't you mean Pasculu the Zulu-Lakota-Commanche-Chiricahua-Brittany-French Rascal strikes again? :p;:

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