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Captain David Moriarity, 80th, KIA Ntombe
This photograph taken when he was in the 7th Regiment prior to his transfer to the 80th. [Mac & Shad] (Isandula Collection)
The Battle of Isandlwana: One of The Worst Defeats of The British Empire - Military History
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PostSubject: Lt. Francis Pender Porteous   Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:38 pm

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Having read 10 separate books which mention the battle of Isandlwhana, I still can't come to a definitive decision as to which company of the 24th Regiment my direct descendent, Lt Francis Pender Porteous, was commanding when it was overrun by the Zulu impi. Would he have automatically been given the Zulu War Medal and is there some form of register which states to whom this and any other personal effects were subsequently given?
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PostSubject: Re: Lt. Francis Pender Porteous   Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:14 pm

Perhaps you should look on-line:

https://www.porteous.org.uk/

He was awarded the South Africa Medal with clasp 1877-8-9 and commanded A Company 1/24th.
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PostSubject: Re: Lt. Francis Pender Porteous   Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:44 pm

Thanks Kenny, some of what's on www.porteous.org.uk/ has been written by me, including that he commanded A Company 1/12th. Unfortunately since writing that, as I mentioned in my original post, I've read several different accounts suggesting he was leading a different company. Any ideas about how to trace to whom his personal effects may have been sent?
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PostSubject: Re: Lt. Francis Pender Porteous   Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:56 pm

This is my list of the location of 24th officers on 22 January 1879.  Hope it makes sense.

Battalion Sub-unit Officers Location
Staff Glyn (No. 3 Column Comd), *Coghill Chelmsford’s Column, *Isandhlwana
1st Battalion 24th Foot HQ Pulleine (CO), Degacher W, Melvill (Adjt), White (Pmr), Pullen (QM), Sergt-Major Gapp Isandhlwana
A Porteous Isandhlwana
B Harrisson, Spring, Roche Fort Harrisson, Southern Natal/Pondoland border
C Younghusband, Hodson Isandhlwana
D Upcher, Heaton, Lloyd Moved independently from PMB to Helpmekaar
E Cavaye, Dyson Isandhlwana
F Mostyn, Anstey, Daly Moved independently from PMB arriving Isandhlwana 21 January
G Rainforth, Clements, Palmes Moved independently from PMB to Helpmekaar
H Wardell, Atkinson Isandhlwana
Band Isandhlwana
2nd Battalion 24th Foot HQ Degacher HJ (CO), Dunbar, Black, Trower, Phipps, Weallens, Sergt-Major Hogan Chelmsford’s Column
A Tongue Chelmsford’s Column
B Bromhead Rorke’s Drift
C Williams Chelmsford’s Column
D Penn Symons, Franklyn Chelmsford’s Column
E Logan Chelmsford’s Column
F Church, Mainwaring, Dobree Chelmsford’s Column
G+ Pope, Godwin-Austen F, Dyer (Adjt), Griffiths (Transport)* Bloomfield (QM) Isandhlwana
*Initially with Chelmsford
H Harvey, Banister, Curll Chelmsford’s Column
Band *Bandmaster Bullard Chelmsford’s Column, *Isandhlwana
Mounted Infantry 1 Sqn Browne In the vicinity of Chelmsford’s Column
2 Sqn Sugden Attached No. 1 Column (Possibly at Fort Pearson)


There is a ledger (NOT available on-line) in the National Archives at Kew - I think reference WO34/54 which gives deaths of 24th Officers and Men - some entries in the ledger do give a disposal reference for the effects - sometimes name.  However there is no further document at Kew which expands the disposal reference into name and address.
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PostSubject: Re: Lt. Francis Pender Porteous   Fri May 18, 2018 8:37 pm

Sorry for the lateness in getting back to you Kenny. Thanks for the location list of officers and the info regarding the possible disposal of effects.
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PostSubject: Re: Lt. Francis Pender Porteous   Sun May 20, 2018 12:51 am

Richard,

Some further details of Francis’ career.

Details of his attendance at the School of Musketry, Hythe, Kent in August 1870.  Left Wing, 6th Section:
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PostSubject: Re: Lt. Francis Pender Porteous   Mon May 21, 2018 9:55 pm

Hi Richard

Changing the subject a bit. Are you(both) related to Pat Porteous VC at Dieppe,  by any chance?

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PostSubject: Re: Lt. Francis Pender Porteous   Wed May 23, 2018 1:25 pm

Hi John, thanks for the information on the School of Musketry which I'd not seen before.
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PostSubject: Re: Lt. Francis Pender Porteous   Wed May 23, 2018 1:29 pm

Hi 24th Foot, no I'm not closely linked to Pat Porteous. I met him on a number of occasions at 'Porteous Family Gatherings' which are held every 5 years and which are attended from folk all over the world. I found him a very gentle, unassuming man.
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PostSubject: Re: Lt. Francis Pender Porteous   Wed May 23, 2018 11:44 pm

Hi Richard
Thank you. Still, very nice to meet and chat to an interesting person.
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