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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:59 pm

Andy,

Let me add my welcome to the forum!

Thank you for the additions to the list. I have 13 more now with your two.

As soon as I find a few more I will update the list.

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PostSubject: Royal Navy Medals known to still exist - Royal Marines    Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:31 pm

Hi Andy.
Welcome to the forum , congratulations on winning the Likeman Medal . That was a great get !.
cheers 90th Idea .
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:51 am

The weather in Scotland wasn't very good this weekend, no surprise there. So I went through my collection of auction catalogues and related magazines and found a few more for your list;

HMS Active (409 medals issued)
Stoker, Charles Cawdry – Medal, No Clasp # (Dixon Medals Dec 1985)
Krooman/Domestic 2nd Class, Tom Everyday – Medal with clasp “1877-8-9” # (ex Douglas-Morris Collection)
Petty Officer 2nd Class – Medal with clasp “1877-8-9” # (ex Douglas-Morris Collection)
Stoker 2nd Class, W. Payne – Medal, No clasp # (Dixon’s Gazette Summer 2009)

HMS Forester (76 medals issued)
Able Seaman, Charles Chapman – Medal with clasp “1879” # (ex Douglas-Morris Collection)

HMS Boadicea (476 medals issued)
Boy 1st Class, Richard Cleave – Medal with clasp “1879” # (ex Douglas-Morris Collection)
Engine Room Art. J. Clinch – Medal with clasp “1879” # (Dixon Medal Dec 85)
Engineer, J. T. Coombes – Medal, No clasp # (A.D. Hamilton Dec 86)
Paymaster, C. T. Dawson – Medal, No clasp # (Dixon’s Gazette Summer 2009)
Volunteer (RNAV), R. V. Jennings – Medal with clasp (ex Douglas-Morris Collection)
Leading Seaman, W. T. Plastine – Medal with clasp “1879” # (DNW 28/06/2000)
Stoker, C. Saunders – Medal with clasp “1879” # (Coin & Medal News Advert)
Petty Officer, J. Sullivan - Medal with clasp “1879” # (Coins of Canterbury Dec 85)

HMS Tenedos (197 medals issued)
Musician, J. Choake – Medal, No clasp # (Dixon’s Gazette Autumn 2008)
Ord. G.H. Goodman – Medal, No clasp # (Dixon’s Gazette Summer 2008)

HMS Shah (705 medals issued)
Assistant Sick Bay Attendant, H. Gamblin – Medal, No clasp # (Giuseppe Miceli Coin & Medal Nov 86)
Able Seaman, J Gemmell – Medal, No clasp # (Dixon’s Gazette Winter 2008)
Able Seaman, E. Haddon – Medal with clasp “1879” # (Dixon’s Gazette Winter 2009)
Stoker, J. Haut – Medal, No clasp # (Guiseppe Miceli Coin & Medal Feb 1988)
Stoker, R. Holloway – Medal, No clasp # (Spink 22nd July 2004)
Able Seaman, T. D. Paples – Medal with clasp “1879” # (Glendinings 2001)
Able Seaman, W. H. Symons – Medal with clasp “1879” # ( Spink 30th October 2004)

HMS Euphrates (261 medals issued)
Private (RMLI), J. B. Robb – Medal, No Clasp # (A. D. Hamilton May 1986)
Private (RMLI), H. W. Sparey – Medal, No Clasp # (Dixon’s Gazette Autumn 2008)

HMS Himalaya (229 medals issued)
Domestic 3rd Class, S. Bickley – Medal, No Clasp # (Dixon’s Gazette Summer 2009)

HMS Orontes (226 medals issued)
Navigating Lieutenant, Edmund E. Greeves – Medal, No Clasp (ex Douglas-Morris Collection)
Petty Officer 1st Class, D. Miller – Medal, No Clasp # (Dixon Medal July 1986)

I hope this helps, if you need any more information on any of these sales, just let me know.

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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:25 pm

African Naval Wars,

Thanks for that wonderfull long list. Idea As soon as I can go through them and verify they are on the Medal Roll, I will start entering them. I have found that the auction house listings are not always 100% correct.

The third medal which you have listed for HMS Active is Petty Officer 2nd Class – Medal with clasp “1877-8-9” Did he not have a name in the listing?

Again, thank you for your contribution.

I will send you a PM if I have any other questions regarding these.


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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:02 pm

Another 37 medals have been added to the list. The newest ones are in Orange.

Thanks to Mr. David Payne, Mr.Greaves , 90th, andywill696 & African Naval Wars for their contributions too this group.

Well done to everyone who has helped with this project. Idea


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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:02 pm


Many thanks for welcoming me to the forum.

My avatar shows the group awarded to William Kirkaldie, AB, HMS Shah, which is also in my collection. The Egypt medal is named to him on HMS Malabar and the LSGC medal was awarded when he later joined the Coast Guard.

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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:25 pm

Here are a couple more to add, the first I parted with last year, the second is firmly in my collection

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SOUTH AFRICA , CLASP 1879 – ‘SIGN. 2.CL T. BUTLER H.M.S. ACTIVE’; EGYPT 1882-89,DATED REVERSE, CLASP- 'ALEXANDRIA 11th.JULY' - SIGN. 2. CL. H.M.S. HELICON; KHELDIVE’S STAR 1882

Wounded in action and at battle of Inyezene 22 jan 1879

SOUTH AFRICA , CLASP 1877-8-9 -P.O.1ST .CLASS E WHITE ,HMS.'ACTIVE' ; EGYPT 1882-89,DATED REVERSE, CLASP- 'ALEXANDRIA 11TH.JULY' - ACT.BOATSWN.HMS.'SULTAN' ;KHELDIVE’S STAR 1882

Wounded in action and MID’ss for bravery at battle of Inyezene 22 Jan 1879 where he was recommended for an award, as far as I’m aware only 2 other Non Officers from the Naval Brigade were MID’s during the War.
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:29 am

Jager1,

Let me be the first to welcome you to the forum.

Thank you for your additions to the list. This gives me a starting point for the next group.

Can you post a photograph of P.O. 1st Class E. White's medal?


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PostSubject: Royal Navy Medals known to still exist   Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:20 am

Welcome aboard Jager1 , hope you enjoy your time on the forum .
cheers 90th. Idea .
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:18 am

Thanks guys, been 'lurking' for a while as you'll see from my registration date :lol:

Unfortunately these medals are in the bank so can’t send a pic.

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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:08 pm

hi, have some zulu navy medals, i will check the details.
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:32 pm

TOWERBOY,

Welcome aboard!

Hopefully you will have a few that are not already mentioned. I, unfortunately, only have 2 additional ones to add, so I am waiting for some more before updating the list.

If you have the capability, would you be so kind as to post photos of them?


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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:44 pm

Medals are in the bank, here is some on my list..

J.BANKS. ORD. HMS ACTIVE (no clasp)
M.KEOHANE. A.B. HMS HIMALAYA (no clasp)
H.STOKES. ORD. HMS.TAMAR. (no clasp)
W.SPARKES. PO CL1. HMS EUPHRATES. (no clasp)
G. TRICE. BOATSWAIN. HMS HIMALAYA. (no clasp)
J. COAKLEY. A.B. HMS ORONTES. (no clasp).

J.H.KINCH. STOKER. HMS ORONTES. (no clasp)
EGYPT. MEDAL. HMS ORONTES. (no clasp)
KHEDIVE STAR.


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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:44 pm

TOWERBOY,

Thank you for that list. That is quite an impressive number of Navy medals. All are confirmed on the Medal Roll.

Stokes, Sparkes and Kinch are already posted. The rest I will add to the next update.

With everyone’s help we have managed to add 89 names to the list since it was started in January, plus the 6 that I have yet to add, which will make it 95. Well Done All! Idea


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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:31 pm

Here are 16 more medals for the list. This latest ones are those in Green.

Included in this group is the “1879” to Midshipman Lewis Cadwallader Coker, who commanded the Gatling gun of HMS Active at Inyezane, and later died at Eshowe.

Thanks to African Naval Wars, Jager1 and Towerboy. A couple of others I found on the National Maritime Museum (NMM) wwebsite..


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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:07 pm

SOUTH AFRICA MEDAL 1877 - 79, Bar 1877 - 8 to Bandsman H. Goff, H.M.S. Active


(Neate Auctions, Feb 2012)

http://www.neateauctions.co.uk/auction_details.php?name=SOUTH-AFRICA-MEDAL-1877--79-Bar-1877--8-to-Bandsman-H-Goff-HMS-Active&auction_id=110865
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:41 pm

tasker224,

Thanks for finding this one. I will be adding it to the list.

Bandsman Henry Goff is confirmed on the Medal Roll for HMS Active, but without the clasp. He was issued a ‘duplicate’ medal in 1888, which was sent to him at the Cape Town Yard.


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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:13 pm

Hi POT,
If I understand the description correctly, his service (HMS Active July 1877- April 1879) would indicate that he should have received a clasp, contrary to what the medal roll says. This medal is possibly the duplicate as the seller, who is an expert, opines that the clasp and suspension etc are original and haven't in his view been tampered with. Perhaps they corrected the apparently incorrect "no clasp" with the appropriate clasp in the duplicate issue.
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sun Feb 05, 2012 2:39 pm

tasker224,

The dates of his service only indicate that he served on HMS Active during that time period, not that he served ashore with the naval brigade. All crew members of “Active” were entitled to the medal.
Those who served in the Cape Frontier war received the medal with clasp “1877-8.”

Not being an expert on medals, I will have to accept the finding of an expert. I would like to look his service papers to see if there is any mention of having served ashore.

I am inclined to believe that the one for sale is the ‘duplicate.’

The one thing I am sure of is that Goff did not serve with the Naval Brigade in the Zulu War.


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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sun Feb 05, 2012 5:42 pm

Thanks POT, so what you are saying is and forgive me if i am being a little slow here, the clasp was only awarded if they served ashore with the naval brigade?
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sun Feb 05, 2012 6:34 pm

tasker224,

I'll answer your question only from the Navy's participation. Crews of all Royal Navy ships that participated in the wars in South Africa from 1877-79 , which included the Zulu War, were entitled to the South Africa Medal.

For the Zulu War, if a member of the Royal Navy, or Royal Marines, served ashore as part of the Naval Brigade, and crossed the Tugela River, they were entitled to the Medal with clasp. Those who served ashore, but did not cross the Tugela, were not entitled to the clasp. Captain Richard Bradshaw and Lieutenant Alexander Gardiner, both of HMS Shah, served ashore, but were not entitled to the clasp.

For HMS Active the clasps awarded to members of the crew were
"1877-8", "1877-8-9", 1878-9" and "1879". HMS Active provided men for both the Cape Frontier wars and the Zulu war. All other crew members who did not serve with the Naval Brigade received the medal without clasp.

For HMS Boadicea those who served with the Naval Brigade all received the clasp "1879", except for 4 officers who had previous service before joining "Boadicea". These 4 had the clasp "1877-8-9".
All other members of the ship's crew received the medal without clasp.

For HMS Shah the Naval Brigade members received clasp "1879" and all others received the medal without clasp.

For HMS Tenedos the Naval Brigade received the clasp "1879" and all others the medal without clasp.

For HMS Forester all members of the crew received the medal with clasp "1879" although none of them served ashore with the Naval Brigade. I'm not sure what the rationale for that was.

For HMS Euphrates, Orontes and Tamar all members of their crews received the medal without clasp.

Since HMS Himalaya was involved in transporting troops during the Cape Frontier war in 1878, all members of the crew received the South Africa Medal without clasp for that war, but were not present during the Zulu War.

I hope that clarifies the issuance of medals to the Navy and Marines for you.


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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:58 pm

Thanks POT for that - perfectly clarified.
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:22 pm

South Africa 1877-79, no clasp (G. Pollard, Lead. Stoker, H.M.S. “Shah”) claw tightened, very fine £180-220

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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:48 pm

1879graves,

Thank you for that one. I will be adding his name to the list as soon I have a few others.

Leading Stoker George Pollard confirmed on the Medal Roll for HMS Shah; entitled to Medal without clasp. His medal was sent to him in September 1881 while he was serving on HMS Vernon.

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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:09 pm

Hi Petty Officer Tom

Pair: Ship’s Corporal John R. Hall, Royal Navy
South Africa 1877-79, no clasp (J. R. Hall. S. Corpl. 2.C. H.M.S. “Himalaya”); Royal Navy L.S. & G.C., V.R., narrow suspension (John R. Hall. Sh. Corpl. 1st Class H.M.S. Himalaya) impressed naming, good very fine (2) £250-300
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:05 pm

SOUTH AFRICA 1877-9, NO CLASP ‘W. ATRIDGE, P.O. 1. CL: H.M.S 'BOADICEA’.
Petty Officer First Class William Atridge served between 1862 and 1885 in 11 different ships and a short period in the Coast Guard. He was part of the Naval Brigade during the Ashantee War (wounded), serving on HMS Active between Oct 1873 and April 1877, also taking part in operations against pirates in the Congo, 1874 and punitive action against Natives on the Niger in 1876. Joining Boadicea in September 1878 until April 1882, he served throughout the Zulu and subsequent 1st Boer War.
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:34 pm

1879graves,

Thanks for the medals to Hall and Atridge. Salute

I'll add them to the list soon. Have six to add so far.

tasker224,

Thank you for 'Pollard'! Salute

1879graves also posted him 3 days ago.


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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:08 pm

Oh sorry, POT, I did scan thru the thread to see if someone had, but I must have missed that.

Will keep looking!
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:53 pm

Is this chap on the list.

South Africa 1877-79, 1 clasp, 1879 (E. Martin, Ord. H.M.S. “Boadicea
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:24 pm

littlehand,

Edward Wallace Martin is on the list, but I left off "Martin", so he would be difficult to find. I'll correct that error when I update the list.
Thanks for asking about him, or I never would have noticed the mistake.


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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:36 am

W. HOLLOWAY. LG. STOKER. H.M.S. "ACTIVE".

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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:22 pm

Petty Officer Tom

I saw a private collection on Saturday and managed to scribble a few name down, sorry if
some don't have ranks but i only had a scrap of paper.

HMS Himalaya

W. Brookswas Able seaman
H.W. Martin Petty officer


HMS SHAH

J.W. Taylor
W.J. Arscott
J. Gemmel
A. Rickman

HMS Forester

F.J.W Hines
W.Carroll
G. Whitelock

HMS Active
H.Harding
A.Essery
C.H. Cardel

HMS Boadicea
F.Clarke Boy First Class
E.Porter
H.White
I.A. Cowper

Hope they haven't been posted before.

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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:29 pm

On looking most of them are already recorded Shocked

The collection was started in the late 1980s.


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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:58 am

Drummer Boy,

You are correct. Several of the names are already on the list, but I did see 6 names that are not.

W. Brookshaw, A.B. HMS Himalaya, Medal, No clasp
J. W. Taylor, Petty Officer 1st Class, HMS Shah, Medal w/ clasp "1879"
A. Rickman, A.B., HMS Shah, Medal w/ clasp "1879"
G. Whitelock, Domestic 3rd Class, HMS Forester, Medal w/ clasps "1879"
H. Harding, Private (RMLI), HMS Active, Medal, No clasp
I. A. Couper, Engineer, HMS Boadicea, Medal, No clasp

Thank you for taking the time to jot them all down.


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PostSubject: Royal Naval Medals Known To Exist    Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:21 am

Hi DB.
Well done mate for getting those names , great work . Also thanks for sharing them .
Cheers 90th. Salute
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PostSubject: private collection   Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:39 pm

Drummer Boy 14 wrote:
On looking most of them are already recorded Shocked

The collection was started in the late 1980s.


Che ers
that was my collection at pluckley in kent at the weekend
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:58 pm

Hi,
Whilst researching information for my mounted 17th Lancer I forget I came across this, I don't know if it has already been submitted previously. It would be nice to get a transcribed copy of the diary.
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:06 pm

Hi Richie

If you PM Jager1, he may be able to help? I am only guessing Salute

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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:12 pm

The list of Royal Navy (and Marine) medals know to exist has been updated. Hopefully, all typos have been corrected.

The newest additions are:

H. Goff, ACTIVE
H. C. Creamer, BOADICEA
W. Atridge, BOADICEA
G. Pollard, SHAH
John R. Hall, HIMALAYA
J. Redgrave, SHAH
W. Holloway, ACTIVE
W. Brookshaw, HIMALAYA
J. W. Taylor, SHAH
A. Rickman, SHAH
G. Whitelock, FORESTER
H. Harding, ACTIVE
I. A. Couper, BOADICEA
T. J. Bendle, TENEDOS

Thanks to littlehand, 1879graves, tasker224, Drummerboy14 and tlmatson for finding these.


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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:02 am

Hi, just acquired from a collection...A.B. J. PITMAN. HMS SHAH...Clasp 1879, hope this helps Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:04 pm

TOWERBOY,

Congratulations on you most recent asquisition. Pitman has been added to the list.

Another one added is R. Mitchell, Torpedo Artificer, HMS Shah, clasp 1879; provided by "tlmatson".

I also found A. Bradford, P.O. 1st Class, HMS Tamar, no clasp medal.



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PostSubject: Royal Naval Medals Known To Exist    Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:13 pm

Hi Towerboy.
Congratulations on your recent purchase . Salute Salute .
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:18 pm

Medal as been broached, but now removed, not really noticeable, Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:16 pm

P.O.Tom, just come across these in a box, cannot remember where they came from. Sags, Egypt, Khedive star.

S.DAVIES. PTE. R.M. HMS "HIMALAYA" ( no clasp)

S.DAVIES. PTE. R.M, HMS "AGINCOURT" (no clasp) dated 1882.

1882 KHEDIVE STAR ( un-named) Salute

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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:41 pm

TOWERBOY,

S.DAVIES. PTE. R.M. HMS "HIMALAYA" ( no clasp) confirmed on the Medal Roll for service 9 to 15 March, 1878.

His name has been entered on the list.


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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:27 pm

Thanks to our member Pick for finding this one.

A rare South Africa Medal with clasp “1877-8-9” to Lieutenant R. P. Cochran, HMS Boadicea. Cochran had served on HMS Active in 1877-78 during the wars at the Cape. In June 1879 he was appointed to “Boadicea” and was served ashore as a Transport Officer.

His medal has both “Active & Boadicea” engraved on the rim.

The medal was at the recent auction held by City Coins in Cape Town.


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PostSubject: Royal Navy Medals known to still exist    Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:53 am

Hi Tom.
Do we have any other details Price , if it sold , Pictures etc etc ?? .
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PostSubject: Re: Royal Navy Medals Known To Still Exist   Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:11 am

90th,

Here is the link to the auction:

http://auctions.citycoins.com/catalogue-of-postal-medal-auction-no-62.pdf

Cochran medal listed on Page 51

Lieut. R.P. Cochran, R.N. HMS Active & Boadicea VF 10.000 – 15.000 (Rand)

There was no photo listed.

Auction closed June 29, 2012. No mention of it having been sold.


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PostSubject: Royal Navy Medals known to still exist    Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:00 am

Thanks Tom , much appreciated.
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