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PostSubject: Bromhead's Groom    Bromhead's Groom  EmptyFri Sep 03, 2010 7:21 pm

Hi All

Does anyone know who Gonville Bromhead's groom was?

Was the groom at RD, Isandlwana or with the Good Lord C?

Any help would be great

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PostSubject: Re: Bromhead's Groom    Bromhead's Groom  EmptySat Sep 04, 2010 12:06 pm

Graves received this from David Payne. (He having a few problems logging on.

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"The groom was a Pte Keall of the 2/24 - as a matter of interest the groom fell off Bromhead’s horse on the march to Ulundi and broke his arm. I have all of his papers at home and if any more info is required I will dig it out."
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PostSubject: Bromhead's Groom.   Bromhead's Groom  EmptySat Sep 04, 2010 1:00 pm

hi graves.
This from The Noble 24th by Norman Holme . W. KEALL 1614 Private , South Africa Medal with Clasp 77--78 - 79.
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PostSubject: Re: Bromhead's Groom    Bromhead's Groom  EmptySat Sep 04, 2010 7:55 pm

Hi All

Many thanks for the information, I just needed someone to confirm his name and it was the same one I had.

David
"the groom fell off Bromhead’s horse on the march to Ulundi and broke his arm", Could you please tell me the source of this information? as I have William Keall breaking his arm after Ulundi scratch

I still have one question, Was the William Keall at RD, Isandlwana or with the Good Lord C?

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PostSubject: Bromhead's Groom.   Bromhead's Groom  EmptySat Sep 04, 2010 9:24 pm

Hi Andy.
Had a quick look through Julian Whybra's Englands Sons and couldnt see a reference to Keall at R.D will check after
work this afternoon for Isandlwana etc .
cheers 90th. Idea .
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PostSubject: Bromhead's Groom.   Bromhead's Groom  EmptySun Sep 05, 2010 8:36 am

hi graves.
Couldnt find anything on W. Keall . 614 2 / 24th. I would have thought he would be at R.D with Bromhead .
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PostSubject: Re: Bromhead's Groom    Bromhead's Groom  EmptySun Sep 05, 2010 4:33 pm

Hi 90th

Many thanks for having a look Idea That's what I thought scratch

So we now are down to, Was William Keall at Isandlwana or with the Good Lord C?
And why was he not with Bromhead?
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PostSubject: Bromhead's Groom.   Bromhead's Groom  EmptyMon Sep 06, 2010 12:31 am

hi all.
I think Keal wasnt Gonny's groom till after the 22nd Jan , that would explain why he isnt mentioned at R.D and also not
mentioned as a survivor of Isandlwana . More than likely he was out with the Good Lord exploring the Hills .
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PostSubject: Re: Bromhead's Groom    Bromhead's Groom  EmptyMon Sep 06, 2010 7:31 pm

"As a Lt would he have qualified for a groom – maybe this happened upon his promotion to Major – I have looked through the paperwork I hold which is mainly his medical records and I cannot find out when he was allocated to Bromhead. What I have found out is that he did not break his right arm until the 4th August 1879 – this was one month after Ulundi. He was discharged from the army in April 18 Idea 80 having completed over 15 years – he appeared in the defaulters book twice during this period. Some of his service was in Rangoon and the Cape of Good Hope."

Sorry I have no further info at this point but I will continue to search.
From David Payne.


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PostSubject: Re: Bromhead's Groom    Bromhead's Groom  EmptyThu Sep 09, 2010 9:34 pm

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He was discharged from the army in April 1980 having completed over 15 years

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I have the same info as you do. Idea

Tim Needham and I have talked about this subject and could he be the groom of Charles Bromhead?
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PostSubject: Re: Bromhead's Groom    Bromhead's Groom  EmptyThu Sep 09, 2010 9:42 pm

Graves you meant "Admin posted on behalf of David" (Don't shoot the messager) Rolling Eyes
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