WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM

Film Zulu Dawn:General Lord Chelmsford: For a savage, as for a child, chastisement is sometimes a kindness. Sir Henry Bartle Frere: Let us hope, General, that this will be the final solution to the Zulu problem.
 
HomeHome  GalleryGallery  Latest imagesLatest images  SearchSearch  RegisterRegister  Log inLog in  
Latest topics
» August Hammar Letter Dated 6th Jan 1879
Brothers Sears EmptyYesterday at 8:34 pm by Stefaan

» A few questions regarding Rorke's Drift and Isandlwana
Brothers Sears EmptyWed Feb 21, 2024 11:13 am by Julian Whybra

» Bearing The Cross by Ken Blakeson | BBC RADIO DRAMA: Ken Blakeson's play tells the story of the Battle of Rorke's Drift and the effect it had on three of the soldiers who fought in it.
Brothers Sears EmptyWed Feb 21, 2024 10:57 am by Julian Whybra

» Letter of officer during Zulu wars.
Brothers Sears EmptyWed Feb 21, 2024 10:47 am by Julian Whybra

» About the second invasion
Brothers Sears EmptyTue Feb 20, 2024 9:14 pm by 90th

» Zulu Festival Brecon July 2024
Brothers Sears EmptySat Feb 17, 2024 7:35 pm by John Young

» Watford band boys killed at iSandlwana
Brothers Sears EmptyFri Feb 16, 2024 8:26 am by Julian Whybra

» Private J. McCrudden 1/13 Foot
Brothers Sears EmptySun Feb 11, 2024 3:10 am by 90th

» Philip Price
Brothers Sears EmptySat Feb 10, 2024 6:55 pm by Julian Whybra

» Death of Michael Jayson (Zulu Dawn)
Brothers Sears EmptyThu Feb 08, 2024 9:55 pm by ADMIN

» The anniversary of 22nd January in 2024
Brothers Sears EmptyThu Feb 08, 2024 3:51 pm by luke1997

» What was the distance?
Brothers Sears EmptyThu Feb 08, 2024 8:46 am by Stefaan

» Mrs Henry Hook
Brothers Sears EmptyTue Feb 06, 2024 3:14 pm by Kenny

» "With 6 good riflemen"
Brothers Sears EmptyMon Feb 05, 2024 2:30 pm by Mr M. Cooper

» What was G company supposed to do?
Brothers Sears EmptySun Feb 04, 2024 9:31 pm by Julian Whybra

» Private 1445 Charles Meates 17th Lancers and his brother William Wylie
Brothers Sears EmptyFri Feb 02, 2024 10:07 pm by John Young

» South Africa Medal With Clasp To Pvt J. Salter 3/60th
Brothers Sears EmptyFri Feb 02, 2024 3:12 pm by Foody

» Weatherleys Border Horse Flag
Brothers Sears EmptyThu Feb 01, 2024 9:40 pm by Herbie

» Blue Plaque to James Egan, alias Private Hagan
Brothers Sears EmptySun Jan 28, 2024 3:19 pm by Kenny

» Edward Plantagenet Kemeys-Tynte
Brothers Sears EmptyTue Jan 23, 2024 10:06 pm by Edjg

» How many started?
Brothers Sears EmptyTue Jan 23, 2024 10:10 am by Julian Whybra

» Firing Line formation
Brothers Sears EmptyMon Jan 22, 2024 2:32 pm by Julian Whybra

» Why did Maj. Spalding have to go ?
Brothers Sears EmptyWed Jan 17, 2024 9:40 pm by Stefaan

» Grape-shot at close range.
Brothers Sears EmptyMon Jan 15, 2024 7:42 am by SRB1965

» Books Hlobane & Kambula
Brothers Sears EmptyTue Jan 09, 2024 10:08 am by John Young

» 24th Foot Database for Isandlwana
Brothers Sears EmptySun Jan 07, 2024 11:03 am by SRB1965

» South African medal W.J.E. Bawtree, Natal Mounted Police
Brothers Sears EmptySat Jan 06, 2024 9:22 am by briannorris@sos.co.za

» Private 25B/293 J H Meredith 1/24th Regiment kia iSandlwana
Brothers Sears EmptyFri Jan 05, 2024 10:55 pm by Julian Whybra

» 94th Regiment receive AZW medal but not the Natal Mounted Police
Brothers Sears EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 2:36 pm by MKalny15

» Command and Control
Brothers Sears EmptyWed Jan 03, 2024 7:46 am by Schlaumeier

» Zulu use of firearms
Brothers Sears EmptyTue Jan 02, 2024 3:40 pm by Stefaan

» A PROPOSED BOOK ABOUT ZULU DAWN
Brothers Sears EmptyTue Jan 02, 2024 10:34 am by marlbrouk1

» New Members Welcome.
Brothers Sears EmptyTue Jan 02, 2024 6:51 am by Schlaumeier

» The Last of the few. Zulu cast. 2024
Brothers Sears EmptyMon Jan 01, 2024 5:12 pm by ADMIN

» George Astell Pardoe Lieutentant, 13th Light Infantry
Brothers Sears EmptySun Dec 31, 2023 6:25 pm by 90th

Search
 
 

Display results as :
 
Rechercher Advanced Search
February 2024
MonTueWedThuFriSatSun
   1234
567891011
12131415161718
19202122232425
26272829   
CalendarCalendar
Most active topics
Durnford was he capable.1
Durnford was he capable. 4
Durnford was he capable.5
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Isandlwana, Last Stands
The ammunition question
Durnford was he capable. 3
Durnford was he capable.2
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
Most Viewed Topics
Please Do Not Post Ads on Our Forum
Google Chrome new standards imposed
Isandlwana, Last Stands
Recent Members To The ZULU WAR 1879 Discussion & Reference Forum ( A Small Victorian War in 1879)
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
The missing five hours.
ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS
The ammunition question
Lieutenant Adendorff 1-3 N.N.C.
Pte David Jenkins. 'Forgotten' Survivor of Rorke's Drift Returned to Official Records
Top posting users this month
Julian Whybra
Brothers Sears Bar_leftBrothers Sears BarBrothers Sears Bar_right 
90th
Brothers Sears Bar_leftBrothers Sears BarBrothers Sears Bar_right 
SRB1965
Brothers Sears Bar_leftBrothers Sears BarBrothers Sears Bar_right 
Hobbes
Brothers Sears Bar_leftBrothers Sears BarBrothers Sears Bar_right 
Stefaan
Brothers Sears Bar_leftBrothers Sears BarBrothers Sears Bar_right 
John Young
Brothers Sears Bar_leftBrothers Sears BarBrothers Sears Bar_right 
Mr M. Cooper
Brothers Sears Bar_leftBrothers Sears BarBrothers Sears Bar_right 
dprice
Brothers Sears Bar_leftBrothers Sears BarBrothers Sears Bar_right 
luke1997
Brothers Sears Bar_leftBrothers Sears BarBrothers Sears Bar_right 
ADMIN
Brothers Sears Bar_leftBrothers Sears BarBrothers Sears Bar_right 
New topics
» About the second invasion
Brothers Sears EmptySat Feb 17, 2024 9:53 pm by Hobbes

» Zulu Festival Brecon July 2024
Brothers Sears EmptySat Feb 17, 2024 7:35 pm by John Young

» Letter of officer during Zulu wars.
Brothers Sears EmptyThu Feb 15, 2024 4:46 pm by Will M

» Bearing The Cross by Ken Blakeson | BBC RADIO DRAMA: Ken Blakeson's play tells the story of the Battle of Rorke's Drift and the effect it had on three of the soldiers who fought in it.
Brothers Sears EmptyThu Feb 15, 2024 1:24 am by ADMIN

» Philip Price
Brothers Sears EmptySat Feb 10, 2024 1:54 pm by dprice

» Death of Michael Jayson (Zulu Dawn)
Brothers Sears EmptyThu Feb 08, 2024 12:05 pm by Kenny

» A few questions regarding Rorke's Drift and Isandlwana
Brothers Sears EmptySun Feb 04, 2024 7:57 pm by Hobbes

» What was G company supposed to do?
Brothers Sears EmptyFri Feb 02, 2024 11:01 pm by Hobbes

» What was the distance?
Brothers Sears EmptyTue Jan 30, 2024 7:44 pm by Stefaan

Similar topics
Zero tolerance to harassment and bullying.
Due to recent events on this forum, we have now imposed a zero tolerance to harassment and bullying. All reports will be treated seriously, and will lead to a permanent ban of both membership and IP address. Any member blatantly corresponding in a deliberate and provoking manner will be removed from the forum as quickly as possible after the event.  If any members are being harassed behind the scenes PM facility by any member/s here at 1879zuluwar.com please do not hesitate to forward the offending text.  We are all here to communicate and enjoy the various discussions and information on the Anglo Zulu War of 1879. Opinions will vary, you will agree and disagree with one another, we will have debates, and so it goes. There is no excuse for harassment or bullying of anyone by another person on this site. The above applies to the main frame areas of the forum. The ring which is the last section on the forum, is available to those members who wish to partake in slagging matches. That section cannot be viewed by guests and only viewed by members that wish to do so. 
Fair Use Notice
Fair use notice. This website may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorised by the copyright owner. We are making such material and images are available in our efforts to advance the understanding of the “Anglo Zulu War of 1879. For educational & recreational purposes. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material, as provided for in UK copyright law. The information is purely for educational and research purposes only. No profit is made from any part of this website. If you hold the copyright on any material on the site, or material refers to you, and you would like it to be removed, please let us know and we will work with you to reach a resolution.
 

 Brothers Sears

Go down 
2 posters
AuthorMessage
Eddie




Posts : 791
Join date : 2022-07-13
Age : 64
Location : Newport Wales

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptySun Sep 25, 2022 11:22 am

Just one for the record.
Great Nephew (John Sears)of Pte Arthur Sears 2-24/2404, 
A Company Rorke's Drift defender,  has said that Arthur was the brother of Pte Henry Sears 279, 1st Battalion 24th Regiment killed at Isandlwana.

Cheers Eddie


Last edited by Eddie on Sun Oct 02, 2022 11:57 am; edited 2 times in total
Back to top Go down
Tim Needham

Tim Needham


Posts : 302
Join date : 2011-10-18
Location : Cornwall

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptySun Sep 25, 2022 7:45 pm

Thanks Eddie,

I must admit I wasn't aware of this until Kate mentioned it in her post a few days ago.

If you happen to be in touch with Arthur's descendant, I'd be interested to know whether he's aware of any family memorials which commemorate either (or both) of the brothers.....

Regards,

Tim
Back to top Go down
Eddie




Posts : 791
Join date : 2022-07-13
Age : 64
Location : Newport Wales

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptySun Sep 25, 2022 8:38 pm

I Tim.

I found him and other decendants on a Facebook page: (Fireforce ventures) where there is a thread discussing Evan Jones Rorke's Drift defender. I will ask.
Back to top Go down
Eddie




Posts : 791
Join date : 2022-07-13
Age : 64
Location : Newport Wales

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptySun Oct 02, 2022 12:05 pm

Tim.

I asked the question for you and he says that he is not aware of any memorial to either of the brothers. I say either, because, John has now told me that there were three brothers, one at Rorke's Drift (Arthur Sears) and two that died at Isandlwana. Having looked at the list of deceased at Isandlwana I only see one Sears.
He has said he has confirmed this by ancestry searches and the results have apparently shown, one as being clubbed to death and the other speared.
I have asked John if he can dig out the Ancestry record again to find his name.
So we are probably looking for an alias.
Back to top Go down
Tim Needham

Tim Needham


Posts : 302
Join date : 2011-10-18
Location : Cornwall

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptySun Oct 02, 2022 9:27 pm

Eddie,

Many thanks, interesting to hear that there may be another brother involved at Isandlwana.....

I think I may have tracked down the brothers' parents John and Ann Sears -

John was buried in Sunbury cemetery on 23 Feb 1901 aged 82 while Ann was interred on 28 Jan 1903 in the same cemetery (although in a different grave) - I'm waiting to hear back as to whether either grave has a headstone (which of course could also commemorate their sons) but the fact that John & Ann are in different plots possibly indicates that they are in communal/public graves and therefore unlikely to be marked.

Regards,

Tim
Back to top Go down
Eddie




Posts : 791
Join date : 2022-07-13
Age : 64
Location : Newport Wales

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptyMon Oct 03, 2022 12:38 am

Here's hoping Tim.

I am hoping John will get back to me soon.
Back to top Go down
Eddie




Posts : 791
Join date : 2022-07-13
Age : 64
Location : Newport Wales

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptyTue Oct 04, 2022 6:04 pm

Hi Tim/All

It just so happens I have received a message from John's wife, and as she says, he has made a mistake, there was only one brother that died at Isandlwana. However there were three Sear brothers that were serving in the 24th.

Sandra sends the following information, which matches your findings Tim. She is requesting if anyone knows where Arthur's medals are. She also requests as much information as possible on the third brother who served in the 24th, Joseph Sears:

I have done a large family tree...& became very interested when I discovered all about my husband (John's) side of the family while going back...I was thrilled with the Rorke's Drift connection.

My husband's connection is through William Sears 1.9.1846, who is my husbands G- Grandfather.
I will start with my husband John's G-G-Grandparents, John Sears 1816 - 17.12.1901 Sunbury Middlesex & Anne Ives 1819 - 1903, who were married 5.12.1841, In Hounslow, Brentford, and they had 8 children:

Charles 1842

Henry 1844 - 1879 ( Died at the battle of Isandlwana 22nd Jan 1879).

William 1.9.1846 (John my husband, this is his G Grandad), he married Hannah Hyatt, had 4 children.

John 1848

Joe 1850

Arthur 1854 - 1906, married Emma Park 1866 - 1914, had 7 children. ( Defender at Rorke's Drift) originally joined as a Bandsman.

Joseph 1856, married Jane , had 6 children and he later lived on the staines road and was a panel beater. ( Served with the 24th regiment? Number not known), was a musician just like Arthur, and was in India with Arthur, we know this as he was witness to Arthur's wedding to Emma 14th August 1882.

Clara 1860

Following on... family tree, John's G Grandfather, William 1846..one of his children was another William 1879 - 1959, died age 80, who was my husbands grandad, he married Florence Keeble 1877 - 1958, (died aged 81) they had 7 children.
The last one was Percival 1911 - 1997 (who was my husbands dad & he called himself Tom.


Last edited by Eddie on Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:22 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top Go down
Tim Needham

Tim Needham


Posts : 302
Join date : 2011-10-18
Location : Cornwall

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptyTue Oct 04, 2022 7:57 pm

Hello Eddie,

I've heard back from Sunbury Cemetery and unfortunately it appears that neither John's nor Ann's grave has a headstone.

Thanks for the additional family information, although I suspect there may be a typo in there - otherwise Ann made it to the ripe old age of 111!

Regarding Joseph Sears I've found the following info in Norman Holmes' 'The Noble 24th'

SEARS Joseph - Private - 2-24/2405 - 2nd 24th A Company
Service details: Awarded good conduct pay at 2d 9/1/1879.
Battalion Orders Rorke's Drift 27/2/1879 - A Company to occupy No.1 post in-lying picquet. Arrived Casemate Barracks Gibraltar 13/1/1880 aboard HMS Orontes. Awarded South Africa Medal 1877-8-9 "Clasp 1877-8-9".

Regards,

Tim
Back to top Go down
Eddie




Posts : 791
Join date : 2022-07-13
Age : 64
Location : Newport Wales

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptyTue Oct 04, 2022 8:30 pm

Tim thank you, that has been amended.

It is great that you have found him, does his military record go further through to India? As he was present at his brothers wedding in 1882.

Can we take it from those details he was out with Lord Chelmsfords column, and was later sent to the out-lying Piquet.
Back to top Go down
Tim Needham

Tim Needham


Posts : 302
Join date : 2011-10-18
Location : Cornwall

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptyTue Oct 04, 2022 8:56 pm

Hello Eddie,

Looking at the entry for Henry Sears (killed in action) in 'The Noble 24th' there certainly is a further mention of Joseph:

SEARS Henry - Private - 25B/279 - 1st/24th
Baptised into the Non-conformist Church 5/5/1844 Sunbury-on-Thames.
Parents were John Sears, occupation General Labourer and Ann nee Ives; they married 5/12/1841.
Brothers/sisters: Charles baptised 27/3/1842 Sunbury-on-Thames. William baptised 6/9/1846 Halliford. John (the first) baptised 10/9/1848 Halliford, died in infancy. Joseph (the first) baptised 22/9/1850 Halliford, died aged 2 years September quarter 1852. Arthur born 29/1/1854 Harmondsworth, Staines, Defender of Rorke's Drift. Joseph (the second) baptised 23/3/1856 Sunbury-on-Thames, served with the 24th & SWB in India with his brother Arthur and was a witness to his marriage. Clara Ann baptised 13/6/1858 Sunbury-on-Thames.
Service details: Enlisted Liverpool 13/6/1874 aged 18.
Effects claimed by his Father John Sears.
Honours/awards: South Africa Medal 1877-8-9 "Clasp 1879".
Death: K-in-A Isandlwana Mountain, Zululand 22/1/1879 aged 22

Regards,

Tim
Back to top Go down
Eddie




Posts : 791
Join date : 2022-07-13
Age : 64
Location : Newport Wales

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptyTue Oct 04, 2022 9:44 pm

Tim, thank you once again.

I should imagine his medals to be at the museum in Brecon, does anyone know?
Back to top Go down
Eddie




Posts : 791
Join date : 2022-07-13
Age : 64
Location : Newport Wales

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptyTue Oct 04, 2022 10:20 pm

I have to add this in relation to Arthur's medals:

Arthur sadly passed away aged 51 years, on 15th December, 1906 at 85 Stephendale road Fulham, he had  been suffering from Tubercular Phthisis. He is buried in Fulham Cemetery, grave 6A, section C18. Shortly after the family moved to 88a Townsend road Fulham.

Arthurs medals were taken to the local pawn shop in Kings road Fulham to raise money for the family, and Arthur's son. "Arthur John" went each week to pay in the money to secure the return of his father's medals.
But Emma's health was fading and at the outbreak of the great war Arthur John had to re-enlist. Emma did not live long enough to know if her son returned home safely, and she died in 1914, and is buried with her husband at Fulham Cemetery.
The fact that we were at war and a sum of money had already been paid to secure the return of Arthur's medals was not taken into account, and they were sold to recover the debt.... Never to be seen again by the family. (Son Arthur did safely return) oh how I would love to see those medals.

In the late sixties Arthur and Emma's daughter "May" realised that she was the only person left who knew the oral history of her family, so she wrote down as much as she could remember, so there would be a written record of their heritage. The Journal was entitled "Emma's Daughter ' and it's thanks to her that so much of the families history was saved from oblivion.
She tried to get the Journal published without success and sadly she lost her eyesight and believed that her Journals only value was to the family themselves..May died aged 77 in 1987.

It would be great if we on this Forum could add to that Diary for May.
Three brothers served in the colours, two survived, Arthur and Joseph. What else do we know?

Cheers Eddie


Last edited by Eddie on Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:32 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Space lettering)
Back to top Go down
Tim Needham

Tim Needham


Posts : 302
Join date : 2011-10-18
Location : Cornwall

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptyWed Oct 05, 2022 12:00 am

Eddie,

Just found some information on the internet that Arthur's Long Service Medal was sold at auction December 2002 (Spink) for £2,200.

Regards,

Tim
Back to top Go down
Eddie




Posts : 791
Join date : 2022-07-13
Age : 64
Location : Newport Wales

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptyWed Oct 05, 2022 12:27 am

Thanks Tim.

Singular, just his long service medal.?

Can I please ask, does anyone have access to 2-24 /2405 Private Joseph's Sears full military records?
Back to top Go down
Eddie




Posts : 791
Join date : 2022-07-13
Age : 64
Location : Newport Wales

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptyWed Oct 05, 2022 9:27 pm

Tim.

In relation to your post above about baptisms, there is no mention of John (The second). We know the first died in infancy, 1848, but when you indicated a John (The first) I was expecting a second, was there one listed in the 24th ?
I have listed in an above post all siblings, another one named is Joe born 1850, is also unmensioned, is there anything about him?

Eddie
Back to top Go down
Tim Needham

Tim Needham


Posts : 302
Join date : 2011-10-18
Location : Cornwall

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptyWed Oct 05, 2022 11:00 pm

Eddie,

Regarding Arthur's medals, yes it was just his Long Service medal I found a mention of.

Not sure about the reference to 'John (the first)' - I'll try and dig out my copy of Kris Wheatley's 'Legacy - Heroes of Rorke's Drift' book which has a chapter on Arthur and see if that offers any further information.

Regards,

Tim
Back to top Go down
Eddie




Posts : 791
Join date : 2022-07-13
Age : 64
Location : Newport Wales

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptyWed Oct 05, 2022 11:10 pm

Thank you Tim

Please include Joe.

Regards Eddie
Back to top Go down
Tim Needham

Tim Needham


Posts : 302
Join date : 2011-10-18
Location : Cornwall

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptyThu Oct 06, 2022 9:19 pm

Eddie,

Just checked Kris Wheatley's chapter on Arthur Sears and there is no mention in there either of a second John:

Charles (1842)
Henry (1844)
William (1846)
John (1848)
Joseph (1850)
Arthur (1854)
Joseph (1856)
Clara Ann (1858)

Regards,

Tim
Back to top Go down
Eddie




Posts : 791
Join date : 2022-07-13
Age : 64
Location : Newport Wales

Brothers Sears Empty
PostSubject: Re: Brothers Sears   Brothers Sears EmptyThu Oct 06, 2022 9:47 pm

Thank you Tim

Strange that. And not including Joe 1850, as mentioned by his descendants.

Cheers for taking the time Tim.
Back to top Go down
 
Brothers Sears
Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» Private 1492 James Brothers 90th Regiment and the Brothers family
» Captain David Murray Smythe, 1st Batt. 1st Regt. Natal Native Contingent.
» Private 2404 Arthur John Sears 2/24th Regiment

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
WWW.1879ZULUWAR.COM  :: GENERAL DISCUSSION AREA-
Jump to: