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PostSubject: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyMon Mar 22, 2010 8:11 pm

Hi everyone
im sure some of the members on this site have always wanted a full list of the survivors at isandlwana
Im sure with the combined knowledge of the members on this forum we can come up with a list of those survivors!

feel free to add any names to the list that you know!

im sure we can do it!

ill start ...

LT Henry Curling R.A

anyone please add names to that list !

thanks joe
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyMon Mar 22, 2010 8:30 pm

Good idea Joe.

Horace Smith-dorrien.
Captain Essex
JA Brickhill
Captain Alan Gardner
Adendorff ??
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyMon Mar 22, 2010 8:57 pm

Lieutenant William Francis Dundonald Cochrane
R.J. "Bob" Hall, the meat contractor of the Natal Mounted Police
726 Cpl Edgar EVANS 2/3rd a Mounted Infantryman
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PostSubject: isandlwana survivors   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyTue Mar 23, 2010 4:17 am

hi all.
I have no idea how to scan on a computer , if anyone has " The Noble 24th " There is a list on page 379.
It isnt complete but it is a good start. Also in " Englands Sons by J. Whybra , Gives more names of survivors
that arent listed in Noble 24th.
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyTue Mar 23, 2010 6:00 am

Isn't there a list in one of Mike Snook' books ?
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyTue Mar 23, 2010 7:04 am

Lt Alfred Henderson NNH

thanks joe
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyTue Mar 23, 2010 8:58 pm

Bombardier Gough.
Grant (RB)
Trainer (RB)
Conductor Foley
Private. Home. NMR
Trooper. Burne. NMR
Trooper. Moodie. NMR
Trooper. Walsh. NMR
Trooper. Brown. NMR
Trooper. Berning NMR
Trooper. Parson NMR
Trooper. Lennox BBG
Trooper. Adams BBG
Trooper. Stretch BBG
Trooper. Adams 2 BBG
Quartermaster. McPhail BBG
Lieutenant Higginson 3rd NNC
Captain Nourse NNC 1st
Captain Stafford NNC 1st
Captain Smythe NNC 1st
Lieutenant. Erskine NNC 1st
Trooper Sparks NMP
Trooper Hayes NMP
Trooper Collier NMP
Trooper Eaton. NMP
Trooper Kincade. NMP
Trooper Shannon NMP
Trooper Doig NMP
Trooper Dorehill NMP
Trooper Muirhead N.C
Trooper Fletcher N.C
Trooper Edwards NC
Trooper Baker NC
Trooper Grainger NC
Private. Wassall 80th
Private. Westwood 80th
Private. Davis 1/24th
Private. Parry 1/24th
Private. Power 1/24th
Private. Edwards’s 2/3rd
Corporal McCan 2.3rd
Patrick Naughton Attached to no 1 Mounted Squadron
Edward Evans Attached to no 1 Mounted Squadron
Gascoigne. Attached to no 1 Mounted Squadron.

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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyTue Mar 23, 2010 9:14 pm

Lieutenant. Raw.
Captain. Barton.
Sgt Costellow (RA)
G . Eary
H. Wehr
B. Gutridge.
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PostSubject: isandlwana survivors   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyWed Mar 24, 2010 2:30 am

hi joe.
This will give you what you want and more . Idea

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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyWed Mar 24, 2010 6:59 am

hi
well done everyone, I think we came up with a pretty good list

thanks 90th for that link

thanks joe
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PostSubject: Survivor/ancestor from Isandlwana....   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyMon Mar 29, 2010 4:01 am

This is a great forum, and I'm pleased to name this gentleman:

Trooper Robert J. M. Kincade


We've only recently learned that this is one of our ancestor's, and he survived the Battle at Isandlwana.

Wonderful idea by the way, NOW, if only my family and I could find a picture of this gentleman....we're still researching!
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PostSubject: isandlwana survivors   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyTue Mar 30, 2010 6:51 am

hi Ladycat.
I have asked a collegue about a photo of Kincade , but alas , he thinks there isnt one and he did look everywhere !.
He has a vast amount of literature and didnt find one. Hope you have better luck in your search.
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptySat Apr 03, 2010 6:01 pm

I have a photo of A.W. Materson taken in 1880 in his full Carbineer undress blues but I have no idea how to load it. Directions please. He was awarded 1878-79 medal with clasp.
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptySat Apr 03, 2010 6:05 pm

hi izabel,
just send admin a PM and he will sort it out for you

thanks joe
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PostSubject: isandlwana survivors   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptySat Apr 03, 2010 9:27 pm

hi Izabel.
Looking forward to you posting the photo of Materson.
cheers 90th.
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptySun Apr 04, 2010 10:14 am

Hi all
I volunteered to help Izabel out with the photograph.

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Trooper A.W. Materson, Natal Carbineers
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PostSubject: isandlwana survivors   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptySun Apr 04, 2010 10:26 am

Hi Izabel.
Great photo , thanks to 1879graves for helping to post the photo.
cheers 90th.
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptySun Apr 04, 2010 10:31 am

Great photo!
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptySun Apr 04, 2010 12:08 pm

SirDCC.
Could you add colour to this chaps uniform.
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptySun Apr 04, 2010 6:33 pm

Best I can do with this one Idea

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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptySun Apr 04, 2010 9:57 pm

Now that’s is excellent. You could make a living and re-touching old photo'
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyMon Apr 05, 2010 3:24 pm

Brilliant!!! SirDCC What source do you used to get the colours of the various uniforms.

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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyMon Apr 05, 2010 4:07 pm

Dave wrote:
Brilliant!!! SirDCC What source do you used to get the colours of the various uniforms.

Dave

Hi Dave, I have most, if not all the Osprey books on the Zulu War so between them & searching on the net I can find most uniform colours for the AZW.
They may not be spot on but pretty near to what they would have looked like.
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyMon Apr 05, 2010 4:24 pm

That is just too amazing. Im copying the photo and will have it reprinted for the NC museum. Thanks so much - kind of eerie tho in colour
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyMon Apr 05, 2010 4:45 pm

izabel wrote:
That is just too amazing. Im copying the photo and will have it reprinted for the NC museum. Thanks so much - kind of eerie tho in colour


Happy you like it Izabel,

To think it may be used in the NC museum makes it more than worthwhile
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyMon Apr 05, 2010 5:03 pm

SirDCC. Excellent work. I too have taken a copy. Idea

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And the forum Admin.
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyMon Apr 05, 2010 11:04 pm

I think the blue may be a little to light on the other picture so here's #2 with the blue more like how it should be I think Wink

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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptySun Apr 11, 2010 2:56 pm

A nice picture of one of the above listed surviviors of Isandlwana . Dugald Macphail BBG with an unknown Zulu veteran of the battle.

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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptySun Apr 11, 2010 9:19 pm

Now its photo's like that, that makes History the history of the Zuluwar worth while. Nice nice one SirDCC..
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyMon Apr 12, 2010 8:07 pm

A Few more Photographs by Izabel

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Thanks for the 1879Graves and Izabel. Its a pity all the photo's didn't come with who's who.
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyTue Apr 13, 2010 6:15 am

Many thanks for posting the photos for me. Only the top one isnt named. Ill go through Stalkers and see if I can identify them. Thought they may be of interest because some of them are wearing their medals
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PostSubject: natal carbineers   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyTue Apr 13, 2010 6:44 am

hi Izabel / 1879graves.
Thanks for sharing the photo"s , much appreciated .
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izabel wrote:
Many thanks for posting the photos for me. Only the top one isnt named. Ill go through Stalkers and see if I can identify them. Thought they may be of interest because some of them are wearing their medals

If you want the names of the troopers in the top photo just look at the bottom one Wink :lol:
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PostSubject: natal carbineers   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyWed Apr 14, 2010 2:03 am

hi sirDCC.
Well spotted , it is indeed the same photograph. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyWed Apr 14, 2010 4:58 am

Do you know I never even noticed that. I wonder if this is the original photo Stalker used for his book. I got it from the Pietermaritzburg Archives so I think another trip is in order to see what else is hidden away there
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Hi My great great grand father John James White was a survivor of Isandlwana. He was a Sergent Farrier with the C & T Corp and later became a Chelsea Pensioner. I have a picture of him in his pensioners uniform and he is wearing his medal reversed to show the date.He had a gun carrage funeral. I have always wondered how many survived the battle and was interested to see this site.
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyThu Jun 03, 2010 10:55 pm

Hi Suem. Welcome to the forum. Any chance of seeing the photo inquestion.
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Wil try - I have scanned and saved the photo & newspaper cutting of his funeral but am not sure how to attach a file to this reply - not really IT literate! I can do it with a normal e-mail.
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 12:35 am

Hi Suem,

welcome to the forum, just attach your photo on an e-mail to admin he'll post it on the forum for you.

Cheers
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PostSubject: isandlwana survivors   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 3:35 am

hi suem.
Welcome to the forum , looking forward to the photo.
cheers 90th.
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyFri Jun 04, 2010 11:17 pm

Suem. I have sent you a P.M
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyFri Jul 23, 2010 6:36 pm

Hello again,
Ive out together a list of the surviving officers from the battle of Isandlwana
Here they are...

Lt Henry Curling RA
Horace Smith-dorrien.
Captain Essex
JA Brickhill
Captain Alan Gardner
Lt J Adendorff
Lt Alfred Henderson NNH
Quartermaster. McPhail BBG
Lieutenant Higginson 3rd NNC
Captain Nourse NNC 1st
Captain Stafford NNC 1st
Captain Smythe NNC 1st
Lieutenant. Erskine NNC 1st
Lieutenant. Raw.
Captain. Barton

If anyone can correct these, It would create a more accurate list Idea

I wont be around for about a week, so everybody keep up the excellent work Idea

thanks
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PostSubject: Excellent photos on this page   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyFri Jul 23, 2010 7:00 pm

Loved looking at the pictures up top, good and clear, you're able to see faces and read the names of the soldiers.

We're still doing research about our ancestor, Trooper Robert J. Kincade, have sent out several inquiries, no response as yet.

Have a pleasant day/evening!
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyFri Jul 23, 2010 7:27 pm

Ladycat,
Im sure something will turn up in the future, its just the waiting game, someone will have some infomation or maybe a picture.

I can assure you all members here are still keeping an eye open.

thanks joe
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PostSubject: Thanks Joe....   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyFri Jul 23, 2010 8:00 pm

I know you're right. As I've said earlier, this is a great forum, lots of fascinating reading and wonderful photos to look at.

We won't ever look at Zulu and Zulu Dawn again the same way!
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PostSubject: isandlwana survivors   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptySat Jul 24, 2010 8:25 am

hi joe.
LT. William Francis Dundonald Cochrane 32nd Regt - attached on Special Service to the staff No 2 Column as Transport Officer .
LT. Harry D . Davies Natal Native Horse , No 5 ( Edendale ) Troop.
LT. Richard . Wyatt . Vause , Natal Native Horse , No 3 ( Sikali ) Troop.
LT. T. Vaines , 1st Batt , 3rd Regt NNC , 9th Co.
LT. George Frederick Andrews Natal Native Pioneer Corps 1st Co.
Acting Control Officer , James Nathanial Hamer , Civilian attached to Army Commissariat and Transport Department .
Here are 6 more for your list , as far as I am aware this should be all of them .
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyWed Jul 28, 2010 8:41 pm

I am writing a historical saga which starts just before the Ango Zulu War. Can anyone tell me what happened to any of the survivors of Isandlwana.? I have a character who needs to fight on until the end of the war. Also, I need a regiment which fought in both Zulu War and Anglo boer War. So far I have the 17th lancers. Again, a character who needs to fight in both wars. This looks like a fabulous forum I wish I'd discovered it 7 years ago when I started this novel!!
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PostSubject: Re: ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS   ISANDLWANA SURVIVIORS EmptyWed Jul 28, 2010 8:53 pm

oh, i should have said that my survivor should preferably have been attached to the 2/24th. I know G company stayed behind and did not go with Chelmsford that day but don't know if any of them survived (or disappeared that I could "make" survive)
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