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PostSubject: Captain Upcher    Captain Upcher EmptySat Jul 28, 2012 6:57 am

hello all

See the entrenchments made ​​at the Battle of Centane by the Captain Upcher!

Why does not LC mimics the Captain Upcher in this battle for Isandhlwana ?

He had no knowledge of the good tactic of the Captain Upcher versus a African charge ?

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PostSubject: Re: Captain Upcher    Captain Upcher EmptyMon Jul 30, 2012 8:16 am

Pascal

As I understand it, at Centane, Rainforth's G Company, acting in a skirmishing role,drew the attackers onto the bulk of Upcher's force who were in "well-concealed" trenches. However, it was the "excellence" of the 24th's markmanship that ultimately won the day with the Gaikas/Galekas only getting to within 400 yards of the firing line.

I would suggest at Isandlwana, there was no need to draw the Zulus on ! Also, the ground at Isandlwana is essentially shale - almost impossible to dig trenches ! The firing line at Isandlwana performed as well as it had done at Centane, until it was ultimately outflanked. Trenches would have made no difference.

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PostSubject: Re: Captain Upcher    Captain Upcher EmptyMon Jul 30, 2012 8:25 am

The Gaikas/Galekas at Centane in 1878 were a different kettle of fish entirely to the Zulu at iSandlwana in 1879. Echo Bill's comments.
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Upcher    Captain Upcher EmptyMon Jul 30, 2012 8:36 am

Hi Bill&Tasker

Who is the one who chose the place to build the camp of the third column, they could not provide a more appropriate location and copy what was done to Centane?

Underestimation of the determination of the Zulus, their number is incredible ...

I do not want to be rude, but rarely has an army, commanded so bad ...

Chelmsford should have been punished, back in civilian ect ...


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PostSubject: Re: Captain Upcher    Captain Upcher EmptyMon Jul 30, 2012 8:59 am

Tasker

Cheers

Pascal

I seem to be in the minority of people who do not condemn Chelmsford out of hand. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on his abilities as an army commander. I suspect with the benefit of hindsight, that we are all blessed with, Chelmsford may have approached the initial invasion somewhat differently !

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PostSubject: Re: Captain Upcher    Captain Upcher EmptyMon Jul 30, 2012 11:42 am

He should have died of shame after Ulundi ... Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Captain Upcher    Captain Upcher EmptyMon Jul 30, 2012 1:48 pm

Pascal

I thought he won Ulundi ? !!!

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PostSubject: Re: Captain Upcher    Captain Upcher EmptyMon Jul 30, 2012 1:53 pm

Another case grandiose as Isandhlwana and it was good for the pole ...

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