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Frank Allewell

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PostSubject: Virtual Tour   Virtual Tour EmptyFri Jul 15, 2016 9:12 am

This is the tour I tried to download onto the forum last year. Now its fully available.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Enjoy
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PostSubject: Re: Virtual Tour   Virtual Tour EmptyFri Jul 15, 2016 11:07 am

That is fantastic Frank. Is it yours?

Steve
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PostSubject: Re: Virtual Tour   Virtual Tour EmptyFri Jul 15, 2016 11:33 am

Steve I wish I could claim credit but that must go to the African Conservation Trust and the University of Kwa Zulu Natal.
My involvement was peripheral in trying to get it adapted for the forum with Pete. There are three separate tours, the others being RD and Spion Kop.
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PostSubject: Re: Virtual Tour   Virtual Tour EmptySat Jul 16, 2016 1:56 pm

Tremendous, Brilliant & Awesome

Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Virtual Tour   Virtual Tour EmptyTue Jul 19, 2016 7:09 pm

WOW!!!!

Absolutely fantastic.

If you can't get there, this must be the next best thing.

Well done Springy and to all those concerned. Salute
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PostSubject: Re: Virtual Tour   Virtual Tour EmptyWed Jul 20, 2016 9:24 pm

Frank Allewell wrote:

Steve I wish I could claim credit but that must go to the African Conservation Trust and the University of Kwa Zulu Natal.
My involvement was peripheral in trying to get it adapted for the forum with Pete.
There are three separate tours, the others being RD and Spion Kop.
Hi Frank ,
I have not been active here for awhile but picked up on this post of yours
Just to set the record straight because otherwise these things develop a life of their own and misinformation is continually propagated.

I was in fact the one that originated the ideas used in this work and was the one that initially approached ACT / UKZN ( at which I used to work )
I was present at the field trips and supplied all the original historical maps used ( which were actually kindly supplied by the late Mike McCabe and other well known persons working in this field ) as well as much else of the initial networking and access to resources.
Most of the methodology and rationale were ideas that I had developed.

Unfortunately for whatever reason there was a determined effort to write me out of the story and I had to fight to have my intellectual property recognised
See the original ( first article ) in the PositionIT Geo-matics journal ( which was not initially referenced in later articles -- until they were forced to include this )

All the work I did was on a voluntary ( not for remuneration ) basis.

I have a full email trail of all my dealings with these people which will withstand any investigation.

I do not begrudge them the work that they are doing but rather their ethics.

Have a look at the main work of ACT -- then have a look for articles / papers from them that align or propagate that [their] main area of business ........

PM me for any other questions.
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PostSubject: Re: Virtual Tour   Virtual Tour EmptyWed Jul 20, 2016 9:31 pm

Hi Chris
I do recall your mentioning the original concept then you disappeared from the scenes of the African Trust/University involvement. Good to see you've managed to reclaim your intellectual property rights.
By the way what happened to that original documentation you were discussing with Ron?

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PostSubject: Re: Virtual Tour   Virtual Tour EmptyWed Jul 20, 2016 10:26 pm

Frank Allewell wrote:

Hi Chris
I do recall your mentioning the original concept then you disappeared from the scenes of the African Trust/University involvement. Good to see you've managed to reclaim your intellectual property rights.
By the way what happened to that original documentation you were discussing with Ron?
Regards
Hi Frank ,
"Work" got in the way  Very Happy
Please remind me your last sentence ?
I have quite a number of pots on the boil  ( I do not always remember where they all are Very Happy )
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PostSubject: Re: Virtual Tour   Virtual Tour EmptyThu Jul 21, 2016 4:20 am

Sent you a pm Chris.
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PostSubject: Re: Virtual Tour   Virtual Tour EmptyThu Jul 21, 2016 6:16 am

Frank Allewell wrote:

Sent you a pm Chris.
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PostSubject: Re: Virtual Tour   Virtual Tour EmptyThu Jul 21, 2016 8:03 am

Chris at one stage you were kicking around the idea of doing a full aerial survey including the Fugitives trail, did you get any further with it? If not the advances in Drone technology may make life easier.
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PostSubject: Re: Virtual Tour   Virtual Tour EmptyThu Jul 21, 2016 9:37 am

Frank Allewell wrote:

Chris at one stage you were kicking around the idea of doing a full aerial survey including the Fugitives trail, did you get any further with it?
If not the advances in Drone technology may make life easier.
SG Aerial imagery as well as GE ( and other Satellite imagery providers ) has improved to a large degree and is available / accessible.

Paradoxically much older aerial photography may provide more information
An archaeologist friend of mine recently discovered some of the missing graves by utilising photography from late 1930's / 40

IF one was really serious then what one would need is hyyperspectral / multispectral imagery and LIDAR
( to look for changes in the vegetation due to changes in the soil composition and LIDAR for very accurate relief -- height / topography )

Now things start to add up quickly ( do you know a few millionaires ? )

I do have a GPS trail from when I walked the Fugitives Drift ( which I supplied to ACT )

So much changes over time -- human occupation / vegetation / erosion -- landforms / effects of livestock ( treasure hunters with metal detectors )

Have a look for a thesis by Jennifer Russell ( UKZN ) that discusses some of these changes.

PS ; Such a survey will really only help IF you know what you are looking for and have an understanding of Archaeological GIS
This would need to go hand in hand with a very careful reading of ALL the primary source / first hand first person reports / from ALL the participants.
It would also entail a proper professional archaeological survey which would need to some extent to be intrusive
( As well as the time / motion type study doen by Ron and Peter )

See the work that was done in the US for the Little Big Horn.

IF the massive luxury five star development planed for the area goes ahead then there may well be an opportunity for some "digging"

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