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PostSubject: 1/1st NNC officers   1/1st NNC officers EmptyTue Oct 01, 2019 6:02 pm

Does anyone have a list of all the officers of 1/1st NNC?  I'm interested in the ones who weren't at Isandhlwana.
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PostSubject: Re: 1/1st NNC officers   1/1st NNC officers EmptyTue Oct 01, 2019 7:11 pm

Hi Julian

Hope this helps?

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PostSubject: Re: 1/1st NNC officers   1/1st NNC officers EmptyTue Oct 01, 2019 7:46 pm

I would beg to differ on Smyth
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PostSubject: Re: 1/1st NNC officers   1/1st NNC officers EmptyTue Oct 01, 2019 8:10 pm

Graves
Me too re Smythe.
But...thanks very much Graves, this was partly what I was wanting...This is more of a compilation taken from Terry Sole's book and it's not authoratative. I was seeking more a provenance for the non-Isandhlwana lieutenants, you know the sort of thing, newspaper announcements or genral orders of when they were appointed and so on.
But thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: 1/1st NNC officers   1/1st NNC officers EmptyWed Oct 02, 2019 12:10 pm

Thanks to all. I have been contacted privately with the info I was seeking.
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PostSubject: Re: 1/1st NNC officers   1/1st NNC officers EmptyWed Oct 02, 2019 9:54 pm

Bit late but for what it's worth this is who I have in 1/1st NNC and/or 1st Battalion later. I'd be grateful if anyone can point out any errors or omissions. What's the issue with Smythe?

Comdt Montgomery Alexander N - CO. Ex 7th Foot. JP for P'Maritzburg. Scandal re pregnancy of local girl.
Capt  Clifton           FP
Capt  Dymes          H                 - Possible Isandlwana survivor
Capt  Hay                                  - OC of Coy merged into D & E Coys as he was detatched as Paymaster
Capt  Nourse          CRA              - OC D Coy, Isandlwana Survivor
Capt  Smythe         DM               - Isandlwana Survivor
Capt  Stafford        Walter H        - OC E Coy, Isandlwana Survivor
Lt  Black                Norman L      - D Coy. KIA Isandlwana. 33rd Lancashire RVC (Lt Lister in Dutton)
Lt  Erskine             Wallace B       - E Coy. Isandlwana Survivor
Lt  Hornby             Arthur            - Brother of George
Lt  Hornby             George           - Friend of D'Ombrain
Lt  Matthews
Lt  Nurden
Lt  D'Ombrain         Robert           - Friend of Comdt Montgomery. Committed suicide 8.4.79
Lt  Robinson           GL
Lt  Wales                MG
Civ.Surg Ryley        John R
Sgt Maj Sharp         T                  - D Coy. Isandlwana Survivor (later Lt & Adj)
Provo Sgt Jackson   T                  - Also in Native Levies
Sgt    Monkman      H
Cpl Fyfe                                      - See QMS Fyfe 2/1st NNC?
Cpl Wood                                    - Assisted Civ.Surg Ryley
Chief  Ncwadi kaSikali                  - Son of Sikali who died before Christmas 1878
Chief  Mycangca
Chief  Siyingele kaZihlondlo
Men  Amangwane x 300
"  Amagwe x 300
"  Amahlubi x 200
"  amaKabela x 100

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Herbie and Graves
Thank you both - very useful. You should perhaps look at each other's lists.
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PostSubject: Re: 1/1st NNC officers   1/1st NNC officers EmptyThu Oct 03, 2019 12:22 am

Herbie wrote:
What's the issue with Smythe?

Hi Phil

Take a look at the following and the list I have posted from Terry Sole's list.

https://www.1879zuluwar.com/t6659-captain-david-murray-smythe-1st-batt-1st-regt-natal-native-contingent?highlight=smythe

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Graves
Yes, I think there is general agreement that Sole made an error in his remark against Smythe's name.
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PostSubject: Re: 1/1st NNC officers   1/1st NNC officers EmptyThu Oct 03, 2019 8:47 pm

I noticed there was a typo in my list and Cpl Wood had dropped out so I've corrected that.

By the way some of my info came from an interesting thesis I found on the internet. I'll post a link to it separately as it covers the whole NNC.

I don't have Terry Sole's book but will look out for it.

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PostSubject: Re: 1/1st NNC officers   1/1st NNC officers EmptyFri Oct 04, 2019 4:47 am

And they all miss out on dear old Edmund!
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Frank
One wonders how many others...
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PostSubject: Re: 1/1st NNC officers   1/1st NNC officers EmptyFri Oct 04, 2019 9:53 am

Whats really getting to me Julian is that he does not appear on any records.
And yet we have his statement, that on its own of course could mean its a fraud.
Except.
That one casual mention, almost in passing, and the fact he has a medal.
I really do start to think it would be easier to complete Rubbicks Cube blindfolded with no arms than solve iSandlwana mysteries.
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PostSubject: Re: 1/1st NNC officers   1/1st NNC officers EmptyFri Oct 04, 2019 10:10 am

Actually Frank...I think I'm about to present you with another mystery...I have to go out shortly for a couple of hours. I'll probably e-mail you when I get back or sooner if I can.
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