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SRB1965
Posts : 1238 Join date : 2017-05-13 Age : 59 Location : Uttoxeter - the last place God made and he couldn't be bothered to finish it.....
| Subject: Natal Native Infantry flags Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:57 pm | |
| Hi,
I've read a couple of comments (one in a book by Ian Castle and one co authored by Ian Knight) that claim some units of the Natal Native Contingent (particularly the 3rd Battlion) had small standards (presumably Company ones).
It is stated that the flags had simple emblems (a bull is mentioned) which tie in with the companies 'nickname'
I'm not sure about this, I've never seen any in any contemporary photos (but if they are small pennants - I may have missed them or the battlion was not photographed)
I don't recall GBH (Hamilton-Browne) mentioning them in his memior, nor anyone else for that matter.
Also AFAIK there was no ensigns on the Battalions establishment, so if they existed they may have been carried by natives.
Any ideas?
Thanks
Sime |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3311 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Natal Native Infantry flags Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:05 am | |
| Sime, The panorama of the Battle of Ulundi by Adolphe Yvon, in the collection of the National Army Museum, depicts the Natal Native Contingent with a flag. Follow the link for the image [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]Look at the second image and you will see N.N.C. with what looks like a Confederate battle flag! JY |
| | | SRB1965
Posts : 1238 Join date : 2017-05-13 Age : 59 Location : Uttoxeter - the last place God made and he couldn't be bothered to finish it.....
| Subject: Re: Natal Native Infantry flags Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:04 am | |
| Well I never....thanks a lot John |
| | | Mr M. Cooper
Posts : 2591 Join date : 2011-09-29 Location : Lancashire, England.
| Subject: Re: Natal Native Infantry flags Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:10 pm | |
| Johnny Reb in zululand LOL! Above the 'Reb' flag is what appears to be a spindly copse of trees (NO not junior Gettysburg), and to the left of that there appears to be a Blue Ensign, then, wait for it, further over to the right, there appears to be a group of men with, would you believe it, a Red Ensign, or could it be yet another 'Johnny Reb' flag |
| | | John Young
Posts : 3311 Join date : 2013-09-08 Age : 68 Location : Слава Україні! Героям слава!
| Subject: Re: Natal Native Infantry flags Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:13 pm | |
| Martin,
Given their position in the square it is conceivable that those are meant to portray regimental Colours.
JY |
| | | Mr M. Cooper
Posts : 2591 Join date : 2011-09-29 Location : Lancashire, England.
| Subject: Re: Natal Native Infantry flags Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:18 pm | |
| Whodathunkit, LOL!. Hi John, I was looking for a White Ensign so that we would have rep's from the Royal Navy, The Merchant Navy, and men commanded by a Royal Navy Reserve officer at the battle, and I thought I had found the RN on the third image, however, on a closer look, it was the Red Cross flag of the Medics, drat it, foiled again. |
| | | SRB1965
Posts : 1238 Join date : 2017-05-13 Age : 59 Location : Uttoxeter - the last place God made and he couldn't be bothered to finish it.....
| Subject: Re: Natal Native Infantry flags Mon Aug 21, 2023 6:33 pm | |
| To my aging eye sight, the 'spindly copse flag' seems to have a hint of the Union flag (in canton) so I would think it was a Regimental Colour. |
| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 4126 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Natal Native Infantry flags Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:19 pm | |
| I think the flags are described in Lieut. Murray's account, if me memory serves me right. I'll check. |
| | | Julian Whybra
Posts : 4126 Join date : 2011-09-12 Location : Billericay, Essex
| Subject: Re: Natal Native Infantry flags Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:05 pm | |
| No not Murray. It was Harford's account - see p. 15 Child's edition. The flags were either numbered or had the representation of an animal on them. |
| | | SRB1965
Posts : 1238 Join date : 2017-05-13 Age : 59 Location : Uttoxeter - the last place God made and he couldn't be bothered to finish it.....
| Subject: Re: Natal Native Infantry flags Sat Sep 16, 2023 8:32 pm | |
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