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Just flicking through the pages of Lt Wilfred Heaton’s Dairy (For Queen and Country)

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Flogging Parade Jones & Hellet: There is no other information other than this. Does anyone have any information regarding the offence that led to the flogging of Jones & Hellet?
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Hi Admin

I am unable to find a Hellet listed on any of the rolls and there are too many Jones's listed to find a Jones without a first name.

Do you have any other information to go along with what you have already, like a date this took place?
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Thursday 10th April 1879..

I'm now wondering if I have miss-understood the context of Flogging. As he seems to mentioned quite a lot about the selling off the equipment from those killed at Isandlwana.

There is also a very good entry, regarding what they thought of Chelmsford & Durnford at Isandlwana.
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Admin. Good book I see. Glad your enjoying it. Mad
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PostSubject: Flogging Parade   Flogging Parade. EmptySun Nov 07, 2010 5:17 am

Hi all.
This Diary of Heaton's is enjoyable to read and well worth having . Admin ( Pete ) you have snagged an absolute Ebay
bargain and signed by R. Ashwood as well . The only copies I found recently are ridiculous prices 50 Quid or upwards.
Patience is required when looking to buy these books . Impi dont worry mate , your turn will come ! Shocked
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Very Good Admin. :lol!: To all forum users, if i show an interest in a book and you find it on e-bay P.M to me the link. Don't show on forum.. Idea
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Sorry mate , you will prevail eventually , Suspect Suspect Suspect .
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PostSubject: Re: Flogging Parade.   Flogging Parade. EmptyThu Dec 02, 2010 10:52 pm

On the subject of flogging.Im sure I saw or read somewhere that during the zulu war or at least 1879, floggings in the army went though the roof.The reason given that the moral of the men suffered which led to bad discipline. I once saw a poster on the door of a mess room on board a RN ship on which my son was serving. it stated "The floggings will continue until moral improves".Joking aside anybody got any info on the numbers of floggings and the reasons for it?

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PostSubject: Re: Flogging Parade.   Flogging Parade. EmptyThu Dec 02, 2010 10:55 pm

On the subject of flogging.Im sure I saw or read somewhere that during the zulu war or at least 1879, floggings in the army went though the roof.The reason given that the moral of the men suffered which led to bad discipline. I once saw a poster on the door of a mess room on board a RN ship on which my son was serving. it stated "The floggings will continue until moral improves".Joking aside anybody got any info on the numbers of floggings and the reasons for it?

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Hi. turkey1954. Click on link below, further infoe there.

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Thanks Dave I wasnt expecting a reply so fast
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Pete,

Privates Charles Jones and William Hellett, both of the 24th, were court-martialed at Helpmakaar on 9 April, 1879.  They were both charged with being “drunk on duty,” sentenced to “50 lashes,” and “fined £1.”  It appears that Hellett had 25 lashes remitted.
 
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PostSubject: Re: Flogging Parade.   Flogging Parade. EmptyTue Apr 11, 2017 11:03 pm

Hi All

I was unable to find a Hellet listed on the medal roll. He is listed incorrectly as W. Hillet, so he is listed on the medal roll.
Private 1680 William Hellett, 1st Battalion 24th (The 2nd Warwickshire) Regiment.

There are three Charles Jones listed on the medal roll.

Private 1253 Charles Jones, 2nd Battalion 24th (The 2nd Warwickshire) Regiment.
Private 25B/141 Charles Jones, 1st Battalion 24th (The 2nd Warwickshire) Regiment.
Private 25B/1059 Charles Jones, 2nd Battalion 24th (The 2nd Warwickshire) Regiment.

I can rule out Private 1253 Charles Jones as I have his service record and does not state he was court-martialled for "dunk on duty" he was court- martialled for "Desertion" in March 1879.

So now that leaves Private 25B/141 Charles Jones and Private 25B/1059 Charles Jones.

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PostSubject: Re: Flogging Parade.   Flogging Parade. EmptyWed Apr 12, 2017 8:20 am

Another member of the naughty boys club at Rorkes Drift, 4th March 1879.
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PostSubject: Re: Flogging Parade.   Flogging Parade. EmptyWed Apr 12, 2017 8:31 am

Not to sure of the date of this entry, but the note at the top seems to be mentioning a Jones?
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This is taken from the Bassage Notebook.
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PostSubject: Re: Flogging Parade.   Flogging Parade. EmptyWed Apr 12, 2017 3:23 pm

Frank,

I am afraid I could find nothing on you first post regarding Pte. D. Evans.  However, the information in you post is the same as what would have appeared in the courts-martial summary.

As for the second post, I read the name as "Lewis James."  I am having trouble reading the next line below his name.  Any idea what that says?

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PostSubject: Re: Flogging Parade.   Flogging Parade. EmptyWed Apr 12, 2017 3:44 pm

Hi Frank

I think that says (something, perhaps Lieuts.?) James and next to it sloping down across the top right corner I think it says James Bassage. Further down on the left (again sloping) it says Edward Bassage. And then centre page it says John Bassage twice and J Bassage. How many Bassages were there?

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PostSubject: Re: Flogging Parade.   Flogging Parade. EmptyWed Apr 12, 2017 3:52 pm

Hi POT

Our posts crossed. I think the line below is (something perhaps Jacob?) Bassage.
Has anyone transcribed the Bassage notebook?
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PostSubject: Re: Flogging Parade.   Flogging Parade. EmptyWed Apr 12, 2017 6:01 pm

I don't know if Bassage was just practicing penmanship, I tended to connect the name at the top with the passage on the drunkenness.
I have to admit I haven't delved to deeply yet into the diary
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Possibly the first sentence: 'Received Lashes and
Second line: Local....... by
third line: Our boys the Natal Carbineers
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