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+3littlehand Drummer Boy 14 barrie 7 posters | Author | Message |
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barrie
Posts : 4 Join date : 2011-10-02
| Subject: Zulu & British Dead At Isandlwana. Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:47 pm | |
| Hello everyone
New to this,though I've been interested in the Zulu War since I saw the film Zulu,so I fear all the traffic will be one way. Apologies since I guess you'll have covered my queries (many times?) before so please bear with my general ignorance! As an opener; Most sources I've seen have the Zulu casualties at Isandlwana as around 1000 dead and perhaps 2000 wounded,of whom some must have later died from their wounds. Does this seem to be to be rather too low? I've read that the Regular Infantry carried 70 rounds of ammunition to the firing line and received some re-supply. A quick sum,assuming roughly 600 men of the 1st and 2nd Battalions,gives an absolute minimum of 42,0000 rounds most of which seems to have been used,since it's always said that the defenders of the camp held out until they ran out of ammunition. Factor in Colonel Durnford's men,the Irregulars and the N.C.C. not to mention the Artillery and it appears that at least 90% of the shots fired by the British Army didn't hit anyone! Can this really be correct? Over to you. Barrie |
| | | Drummer Boy 14
Posts : 2008 Join date : 2011-08-01 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: Zulu & British Dead At Isandlwana. Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:55 pm | |
| Hi barrie, not sure about the wounded but the camp defenders where not short of ammumntion. The men accoring to Mike Snooks book would have had at least 30 rounds left by the time the bugle called the retreat. Durnfords NNH men most likly did run out of ammuntion. The camp was lost because of Durnfords retreat exposing a flank.
Regards Db14 |
| | | Drummer Boy 14
Posts : 2008 Join date : 2011-08-01 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: Zulu & British Dead At Isandlwana. Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:51 pm | |
| I think the strenth was around 24,000 at Isandlwana as this was observed before the war.
Source How Can Men Die Better Mike Snook
Another Question is how many people died at Isandlwana on the British side. Most people say 1300+ but when i did a survay it came to around 2,000.
This is it and i know it is only a rough copy but and thourghts anyone??????
Casulty list Isnadlwana 1879 1st Battalion 24th. Present 15 Officers and 398 men Killed 15 officers and 396 men
2nd battalion 24th Present 5 officers and 171 men Killed 5 officers and 171 men
Royal Artillery Present 2 officers and 71 men Killed 1 officer and 62 men
Imperial mounted Infantry
Present 31 men Killed 21 men
Royal Engineers Present 2 officers and 5 men Killed 2 officers and 5 men
Natal Mounted Police Present 34 men Killed 25 men
Natal Carbineers Present 2 Officers and 27 men Killed 2 Officers and 20 men Newcastle Mounted rifles Present 2 officers and 12 men Killed 2 Officers and 5 men Buffalo Boarder Guard Present 1 Officer and 7 men Killed 3 men Natal Native Contingent ( Figures not accurate) Present 25 Officers and 877 men Killed 19 Officers and 480 men Natal Native Horse Present 6 Officers and 257 men Killed 2 Officers and 27 men Army Hospital Corps Present 2 Officers and 14 men Killed 2 Officers and 14 men Pioneers Present 1 Officer and 10 men Killed 10 men Civilians Numbers not known probably around 300 casualties Total around 2057 killed.
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| | | littlehand
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| Subject: Re: Zulu & British Dead At Isandlwana. Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:54 pm | |
| Englands Son's would be a better source. |
| | | Drummer Boy 14
Posts : 2008 Join date : 2011-08-01 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: Zulu & British Dead At Isandlwana. Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:00 pm | |
| Littlehand is that a book as i am trying to get my parnets to buy me as much Zulu stuff as possible for Christmas and that could go nicely.
Is their a ruff number though because it is definatly more then 1300? |
| | | littlehand
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| Subject: Re: Zulu & British Dead At Isandlwana. Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:03 pm | |
| Drop Julian Whybra a P.M he's the author and a member of the forum. |
| | | Drummer Boy 14
Posts : 2008 Join date : 2011-08-01 Age : 27
| Subject: Re: Zulu & British Dead At Isandlwana. Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:06 pm | |
| Thanks |
| | | garywilson1
Posts : 374 Join date : 2009-01-22 Age : 62 Location : Timisoara , Romania
| Subject: Re: Zulu & British Dead At Isandlwana. Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:25 am | |
| Barrie , getting back to your first point , it has always suprised me too thet the Zulu casualties were not much higher compared to the number of rounds expended . The same goes for RD . |
| | | 90th
Posts : 10909 Join date : 2009-04-07 Age : 68 Location : Melbourne, Australia
| Subject: Zulu Dead at Isandlwana Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:23 pm | |
| Hi Barrie. Firstly welcome to the Forum . I've read somewhere and cant remember where , a breakdown of the round expenditure at Rorke's Drift and was surprised how many rounds were fired to the number of dead and possible number of zulu wounded . Roughly it was somewhere in the region of 90 % of rounds fired didnt hit their mark !. I think this may have been in one of the ' Journals of the AZW Historical Society ' will check it out Wednesday . It can be assumed this rate was little or no better at Isandlwana ? . cheers 90th. Dave . I didnt think we found the definitive answer as to who selected the camp ? . I think it was a staff decision ? . May have to read that thread again . cheers 90th |
| | | barrie
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| Subject: Re: Zulu & British Dead At Isandlwana. Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:33 pm | |
| Thanks 90th,very illuminating. Barrie |
| | | 90th
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| Subject: Zulu Dead at Isandlwana Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:21 am | |
| Hi Barrie . Did you understand the table I attempted to put on the forum ? . Or were you being polite ? . :lol!: . cheers 90th. |
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| | | barrie
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| Subject: Re: Zulu & British Dead At Isandlwana. Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:03 pm | |
| Hi 90th
Sorry for late reply,been away. Quite sure I got the gist,if not the complete picture regarding the ammunition expenditure at Rorkes Drift and Isandlwana etc. Thanks also for sticking to the point re. my original post! :lol!:
cheers
Barrie |
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