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Subject: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:29 am
Hi
I heard an interesting story as unconventional ...
This is a drummer boy, that during the massacre of Isandhlwana, sits quietly on a box of ammunition that is on a wagon , and defend tooth and nail against any defender of the camp which is not of the same unit as the little guy, would like ammunition ... Who has heard of this case ? This is necessarily a survivor who told this and I find it incredible...
Cheers
Pascal
Drummer Boy 14
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Subject: Re: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:43 am
'He addressed them and told them their lives depended on obedience and keeping together, and that any man who strayed from the ranks was doomed. If it was God's will and they would obey, he would bring them through into Natal. They pledged their word to abide together with him that day for life or death. But he must, if possible, get ammunition. He saw an ammunition wagon, and noticed the Zulus were too busy in the tents to bother about this wagon. He rode up with his men, and found no one there but a little drummer boy who sat on top of the wagon and said he was in charge. Simeon asked him to give him and his men a packet of cartridges each, just to help them defend themselves. But the little boy informed them that this ammunition belonged to the 24th Regiment, and as long as he was in charge no one else should have any of it. He felt the boy was obeying orders, and respected him. Then he saw there was a loose lot of cartridges lying in the grass around the wagon. Men who had come for cartridges were in such haste to fill their belts that they dropped many on the ground. So Simeon and his men each picked up a few and put them into their belts.
Simeon's heart went out to the boy who was sticking to his post of duty. He told him the battle was lost, the camp was in the hands of the enemy, the fighting all over, and, indeed, his was the only body of men holding together. He begged the boy to leave the wagon, and he would take him in front of the saddle, and as long as he had life he would defend him. The boy was surprised and hurt that anyone could think he would desert his post. His officer had placed him there, and no one should move him out while he had life. With a very sad heart Simeon had to leave him there.
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Subject: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:51 am
Hi
Yes thank you, this story is there, it's incredible an such inconsience.
Cheers
Pascal
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Subject: Re: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:23 pm
[quote="Pascal MAHE"]Hi
Yes thank you, this story is there, it's incredible an such inconsience.
Cheers
Pascal[/ quote]
Hi Pascal,
For information: Simeon was Sgt Simeon Kambula (Edendale troop) Source of the story (DB14): Reverend Owen Watkins who was the methodist minister of the edendale methodist mission.
Cheers
YMOB
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Subject: Re: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Sat Dec 31, 2011 1:27 pm
I know that, it would take by force the drummer boy and once in Natal, give him a good spanking ...
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Pascal
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Subject: Re: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:36 pm
Pascal MAHE wrote:
I know that, it would take by force the drummer boy and once in Natal, give him a good spanking ...
Cheers
Pascal
Hi Pascal
You kow that? Well, well... So, why your question???? (a drummer boy at Isandlwana / Who has heard this case)
Regards
YMOB
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Subject: Re: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:18 pm
good evening
To make sure I did not dream that I had read this somewhere and it had indeed occurred.
Cheers
Pascal
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Subject: Re: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:24 pm
Pascal MAHE wrote:
good evening
To make sure I did not dream that I had read this somewhere and it had indeed occurred.
Cheers
Pascal
Bonsoir,
Ok.
Bonnes fêtes en Bretagne.
YMOB
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Subject: Re: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:42 pm
Yes you too,
but why your question earlier, what did you understand?
In what region of France are you?
Cheers
Pascal
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Subject: Re: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:34 pm
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it would take by force the drummer boy and once in Natal, give him a good spanking ...
Pascal, I know your French but this seems to be an odd remark to make. Surly you can see the young man was just obeying orders. That what the British do. Thats why we had an empire.
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Subject: Re: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:55 pm
Why would you do that??
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Subject: Re: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:06 pm
Do what
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Subject: Re: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:20 pm
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Subject: Re: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:22 pm
This topic is becoming a little bit stupid.
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Subject: Re: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:38 am
Hello Littlehand & DB14.
Littlehand had written: "Pascal, French I know your goal this year Seems To Be odd remark to make."
Answer: The fact of not having British nationality has nothing to do with it, it's just a matter of compassion and heart.
Littlehand had written: "Surly you-can see the young man WAS just obeying orders"
DB14 had written: "Why would you do that??"
Answer: The orders have not care in this situation, unless I would have unconscious Catch strength to save her life because it was a children.Si had been an adult, I l 'would have left and called a crazy ...
Answer: Remember a film about the US civil war with John Wayne. Jonh Wayne commanded A US cavalry unit who is attacked by CSA military school cadets .Et spite of the charge ofthe cadets, the US riders grabs and flanked by good spanking because they are only children.
Littlehand had written: "Thats what the British do"
Answer: Orders have not care in this situation, unless you are unconscious and not just the British who are disciplined and they are not all and always, God thank you.
Littlehand had written:
That's why we had an empire
Answer: France too has had an empire and much longer and almost as big (and it always has in Africa and without taking the field) and it did not become a satellite of one of its colonies.
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Pascal
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Subject: Re: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:52 pm
Hi all, Just for information: You can read on "victorian wars forum" (link "members articles and research) a very interesting paper of Keith I. SMITH "The Boys in the Band" (at Isandlwana) written in 2003. This article was first published in the journal "Soldiers of the Queen, n°116, March 2004". It can also be found in the book "studies in the Anglo-Zulu War" (2007).
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YMOB
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Subject: Re: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:08 am
Hi. Ymob. Who is Keith Smith.
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Subject: A drummer boy at Isandlwana Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:27 am
Hi Sas1 . Keith Smith is an Australian Historian on the zulu war and has written several books on the war and the preceding Frontier Wars , I was on the RDVC Forum yesterday and he announced his new book and when it's to be released . He is also a member of that Forum . His books or at least one of them are available at ' The Royal Regiment Of Wales on - line shop site . DP &G Publications sell all of his books , I dont have one as yet but that may change . cheers 90th.
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Subject: Re: A Drummer Boy at Isandhlwana Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:18 am
Hi All
In 1879,the british army took " boys",often the sons of soldiers or their orphans,aged15,who served an apprenticepship until they rached the minimun age for enlisment before formally joining a regiment.
During this time they would train as drummers,buglers,tailors or shoesmakers.
A maximun of 2% of battalion strenght could be boys...