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Can anyone shed some light on where the NNC, NMP, NNH and similar originate. Where they local conscripts
Or mercenaries, paid for by the British Government. In the Film Zulu Dawn the NMP were white men not black.
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I think you find that most of theses regiments were made up of local boar farmers, who volunteered with the promise of land, not sure if they were paid anymore or any less than the average British soldier.
John Dunn had a couple of hundred native followers when he joined up with the British. Well, I say joined. He never had much choice really.
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Believe it or not, Durnford was the one that drew up the letters, stating the proposals for the conscripts of the thousands of colonial Zulu. Which was to be brought in the when the invasion of Zululand commenced. It was Durnford who formed the NNC and the NNH.

Chelmsford who had commissioned Lonsdale asked him to speak to old soldiers who had fought in the Ninth Frontier War. Lonsdale arrived in Natal in November 1878 with 190 white conscripts, who would be come officers or NCOs of the NNC.

Ruffians and ex-convicts formed many of the other units like the Border Horse, Raaffs Rangers, and Bakers Horse. And of course there was John Dunn’s unit of scouts.

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Thanks for the information S.D. It always good to learn.
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PostSubject: volunteer units   Non- British regiments’ Zulu war. EmptySat Jun 13, 2009 6:48 am

hi 24th.

the N.N.C ( NATAL NATIVE CONTINGENT) formed nov 1878.
the N.M.P ( NATAL MTD POLICE ) apprx 1874.

the nnc were mostly zulu's not happy on the zulu side of the river.
the police mostly all local people , not much detail ,sorry 24th.

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PostSubject: non british regiments.   Non- British regiments’ Zulu war. EmptySat Jun 13, 2009 7:17 am

hi all.
ZULU WAR- VOLUNTEERS, IRREGULARS, AND AUXILIARIES. by IAN CASTLE. PUBLISHED BY OSPREY.
will give you a good insight into the non- imperial units. google the ISBN NUMBER 1841764841. plenty of copies to purchase, some expensive , others far cheaper. good shopping.

cheers 90th.
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24th You might find this helpfull.


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hi 24th.


the 2 pictures that sas1 has listed on his reply , come from the book i mentioned in my previous post, you may find it beneficial to purchase one , if you wish to learn about the colonial forces in zulu war.
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Thanks 90th and sas1. The book is on my Chirstmas wish list.
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Battles and Casualties with-in the Irregular forces.

SOUTH AFRICA 1877-79
ALBERT BURGHERS
Private W. Loughlin - killed in action at Jumdwala
Private W. Moubrey - killed in action at Jumdwala
Private G. Welsh - killed in action at Jumdwala
BAKER'S HORSE
Troopers:
John Campbell - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
M. Christianson - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
J. Darwin - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
R. David - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
W. Dubar - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
PG. Rossam - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
W. Van Niekerk - wounded at Inhlobane 28 March 1879. died of wounds
W. Walters - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
C. Ward - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879

BARKLEY RANGERS
Trooper C.L. Campbell - killed in action
Trooper T. Dawson - killed in action
Trooper Ford - killed in action
Trooper L. Rawstone - killed in action
BETTINGTON'S HORSE
Trooper W. Able - killed in action at Ityotyosi River 1 June 1879
Trooper G. Rogers - killed in action at Ityotyosi River 1 June 1879

BORDER HOSRE
Orderly Room Sergeant T. Brissenden - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Regimental Sergeant-Major E.J. Brown - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Trooper Sergeant-Major J.S. Fisher - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Farrier Seregant J. Freize - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Paymaster Sergeant A. Johnson - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Quartermaster Sergeant Norman McLeod - killed in action at Sekukuni's Kraal 28 November 1879
Trumpet Major E.H. Meredith - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Quatermaster Sergeant F. Russell - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Sergeant A. Stewart - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Corporals:
J. Blackmore - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
D. Coetzee - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
B. Ford - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
E. Mitchell - killed in action at Sekukuni's Kraal 28 November 1879
H.B. Porter - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
J. Van Hasselt - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Lance-Corporal E. Bernhardt - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Trumpeter W. Reilly - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Trooper:
L. Barth - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
P. Brooks - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
C. Boudoin - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
J. Cameron - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
W. Cherry - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
J.T. Craig - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
B.J. Craney - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
J. Davey - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
W. Evans - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Farquarharson - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
E. Grandier - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
A. Hartman - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
F.J. Jeffrey - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
W. Jeffries - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
G. King (2) - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
J.A. McKay - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
J.C. Mann - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
P. Martin - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
F. Meilot - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
D. Mellna - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Jacobus Muller - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Alfred Reid - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
J. Shepherd - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Thompson - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
J. Underwood - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
S. Wynen - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879

BUFFALO BORDER GUARD
Trooper Eary - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879
Trooper Gutteridge - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879
Trooper Wehr - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879
BUFFALO VOLUNTEER RIFLES
Sergeant M. Broderick - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879
Private Runchwan - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879

BURGHER FORCE - Trooper L.S. Combrink - killed in action at Utrecht 26 April 1879
CHALUMNA VOLUNTEER CAVALRY
Sergeant J.C. Holl - killed in action
Trooper C. Sansom - killed in action

DIAMOND FIELDS HORSE
Corporals:
P. Davis - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878
R.W. McKay - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878
A. Muller - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878
R. Payne - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878
R. Thornton - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878
Troopers:
A. Arnold - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878
G. Barrington - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878
Bees - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878
W. Chapman - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878
L. Green - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878
C. Hailby - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878
J.W. Mathews - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878
Williams - killed in action at Gobatse Heights 14 October 1878

FERREIRA'S HORSE
Regimental Sergeant Major E. Caufield - killed in action at Sekukuni's Kraal 28 November 1879
Regimental Sergeant Major R. Wilson - killed in action at Lebeak's Staadt 14 May 1879
Troopers:
A. Chowles - killed in action at Sekukuni's Kraal 28 November 1879
P. Grant - Missing on patrol near Sekukuni's Kraal 21 June 1879
G. Hick - killed in action at Sekukuni's Kraal 22 June 1878
P. Robb - killed in action at Sekukuni's Kraal 22 June 1878
FORT BEAUFORT BURGHERS - Trooper R. Slater - killed in action at Morosi's Stronghold 29 May 1879
FORT WHITE MOUNTED VOLUNTEERS - Sergeant J. Murray - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879
FRONTIER LIGHT HORSE
250 Sergeant J. Tippett - killed in action at Kambula 29 March 1879
Troopers:
251 A.J. Burton - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
288 P.W. Caffin - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
367 W. Cherry - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
228 A.W. Dobson - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
83 G. Dodwell - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
227 A.W. Dobson - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
247 W. Gordon - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
177 J. Grills - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
112 T. Halliday - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
24 J. Hasseldine - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
200 H. Helwig - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
332 E. Higgins - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
113 G. Horn - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
87 J. Kerween - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
317 W.H. Livingstone - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
295 C. Lyndon - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
266 J. May - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
312 C. Merk - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
369 G. Pearce - killed in action near Ulundi 3 July 1879
57 H. Plante - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
296 M. Prendergast - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
248 W.A. Rogan - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
375 J.A. Roubenhamer - killed in action near Ulundi 3 July 1879
16 H. Runciman - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
311 A. Schermal - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
279 G. Seymour - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
214 L. Shearer - - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
236 W. Tirrill - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
273 G. Williams - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879

FRONTIER MOUNTED RIFLEMEN
Private F.L. Brown - killed in action
Private J. Doherty - killed in action
Corporal S.R. Hunter - killed in action
Troop Sergeant Major P. Hagle - killed in action
Private H. Sturk - killed in action
Private B. Toomey - killed in action
GRIQUALAND WEST LIGHT INFANTRY
Private J. Britz - killed in action
Private G.C. Lubbe - killed in action
Private T. Tidmarsh - killed in action
Private H. Wright - killed in action

HERSCHELS MOUNTED VOLUNTEERS

HOTTENTOT MILITIA & LEVY - Private M. Ague - killed in action

KAFFARIAN VOLUNTEERS - Private W. Blakeway - killed in action

KEISKAMA HOEK VOLUNTEER MOUNTED CORPS - Trooper L. Hessel - killed in action

NEW CASTLE MOUNTED RIFLES
Trooper W.H.J. Barnes - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879
Trooper Dinkelman - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879
Trooper Greenbank - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879
Trooper McAlister - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879
Sergeant Swan - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879

NORTHERN BORDER HORSE - Trooper J. Tippert - died of wounds at Rietfontein 6 March 1879

PORT ELIZABETH VOLUNTEER HORSE - Corporal Borain - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879

PRINCE ALFRED'S GUARD RIFLE VOLUNTEERS
Private H.P. Barron - killed in action at Umzintzani 2 December 1877
Private G.C. Christian - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879

PULLEIN'S RANGERS
Sergeant J. Aspinall - killed in action at Centane 7 February 1878
Corporal J. Cole - killed in action at Centane 7 February 1878
Private J. Bennett - killed in action at Centane 7 February 1878

SHEPSTONE'S NATIVE HORSE
Trooper K. Lopela - killed in action at Ulundi 4 July 1879
Trooper J. Mgadi - killed in action at Ulundi 4 July 1879
Trooper E. Tigingela - killed in action at Ulundi 4 July 1879

STOKENSTROOM RIFLE VOLUNTEERS
Private K. Jordan - killed in action at Morosi's Stronghold 16 August 1879
Private Pretorious - killed in action at Muntyao's Cave 30 August 1879

STUTTERHEIM MOUNTED POLICE - Corporal A. Shewel - killed in action at Isandhlwanan 22 January 1879

SWAZIE CONTINGENT - Civil Commissioner A.H. Campbell - killed in action

TRANSKEI RIFLES
Corporals:
G. Luck - killed in action
W. Robinson - killed in action
D. Rochfort - killed in action
W. Russell - killed in action
Lance-Corporal J. Stewart - killed in action
Privates:
J. Able - killed in action
H. Atkins - killed in action
Bryant - killed in action
J. Meaney - killed in action
G. Theron - killed in action
G. Turner - killed in action

TRANSVAAL MOUNTED RIFLES - Trooper P. Mathebis - killed in action at Sekukuni's Kraal 28 November 1879

TRANSVAAL RANGERS
Trooper Banks - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Sergant Major T. Brophy - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Sergeant Major J.W. Cumming - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Trooper Deiring - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Trooper R. Foley - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Trooper A. Hood - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Troop Sergeant Major W.H. Martin - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Trooper W.H. Martin - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Trooper E. Oliver - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879
Trooper A. Tonkien - killed in action at Inhlobane 28 March 1879

WODEHOUSE TRUE BLUES
Trooper P.W. Caffyn - killed in action at Perie Bush 8 May 1878
Trooper P.F. Classen - killed in action at Perie Bush 8 May 1878
Trooper France - killed in action at Perie Bush 8 May 1878
Trooper J. Lamnde - killed in action at Morosi's Stromghold 8 April 1879
Trooper E.H. Meredith - killed in action at Morosi's Stromghold 8 April 1879
Trooper R. Styles - killed in action at Morosi's Stromghold 8 April 1879
Trooper G. Van Zijil - killed in action at Morosi's Stromghold 8 April 1879

WOOD'S IRREGULARS - Private Schaal - killed in action at Van Stander's Farm 2 March 1879
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PostSubject: Re: Non- British regiments’ Zulu war.   Non- British regiments’ Zulu war. EmptySun Jun 14, 2009 2:36 pm

CTSG.
I will be honest. I had never heard of some of these units. Thanks very much for infoe:
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John. That make two of us. I glad this is not only a discussion forum. I do like the refrence side. Lots of facts that I never knew..

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PostSubject: non-british casualties   Non- British regiments’ Zulu war. EmptySun Jun 14, 2009 3:01 pm

hi all.

interesting observation in CTSG"S previous post. BORDER HORSE casualty E. GRANDIER K.I.A. HLOBANE 28TH MARCH. according to many articles he may have been the only prisoner taken by the zulus , he was found 16th april near ZUNGWINI MTN. from I. KNIGHT, " COMPANION TO THE ZULU WAR". GERHARDUS RUDOLPH said " staggering towards them in the veldt was a solitary white man , tall ,wiry, dark in his late 20"s. wearing a ripped and torn irregulars jacket , infantry trousers cut off at the knee. he was bruised , battered and scratched all over, and incoherant . rudolph could hardly make any sense of what he was saying. he was taken to WOOD at KHAMBULA.
where eventually he told his story, there are plenty of sceptics who think GRANDIER may have tinkered with the facts a trifle , including BERTRAM MITFORD who travelled zulu land in 1881,
i think. and of course the zulu side of the story. the full account is on pages 78 ,79,80.

cheers 90th.
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