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PostSubject: Traitor or renegade ?   Traitor or renegade ? EmptySun Aug 04, 2013 8:07 am

Hi

I was told that a certain Mr Calverley was present at Isandlwana and not on the British side.

Incroyable! Here it is true ,it is a story worthy of a novel or a movie...

He was a traitor or renegade, or something else?

They did what with the Zulus?

He had what function?

What was his interest?

He became what, when seen on the horse Coghill ...

It was really Isandhlwana or Zulu it is offered one of the few horses they have spared ...

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PostSubject: Re: Traitor or renegade ?   Traitor or renegade ? EmptyMon Aug 05, 2013 8:04 am

Well then? I have pinpointed where it hurts? The name of this man is taboo or that character is not very well known Question 
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PostSubject: Re: Traitor or renegade ?   Traitor or renegade ? EmptyMon Aug 05, 2013 8:43 am

Pascal
Wasnt Coghills horse shot and killed re entering the water to rescue Melvill? It was according to Higginson.

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PostSubject: Re: Traitor or renegade ?   Traitor or renegade ? EmptyMon Aug 05, 2013 9:14 am

Oh to do, what you think happened to the horses of Melvill and Coghills,(Even though this is not really the topic,I ask this question on another topc )! if the horse of Coghills was not killed by the Zulus, he has been offered at Mr Calverley by the zulus...

PS: I feel that this will be exciting, Mr Calverley seems to be a funny character after what Jimmy said ... I want to know everything about him! In my opinion if he was with the Zulu has Isandhlwana, this type is worse than JD!

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PostSubject: Re: Traitor or renegade ?   Traitor or renegade ? EmptyMon Aug 05, 2013 9:29 am

Pascal
John Calverley was a white trader, he along with James Rorke were Nominated by Hamu to negotiqate a surrender with Wood. They went to Woods camp to do so, Calverley had Coghills horse ( reputably a spare) and a MH rifle from iSandlwana. He must have a had a fare explanation for those items as he stayed with Wood and fought and died at Hlobane.
No doubt Cohill would have ahad a spare horse so that is emminently possible.
A certain well known author has state pretty emphatically, without proving, that Coghill wasnt riding his own horse but 'grabbed' the nearest one available, not his own. That doesnt ring true as Coghill was incapacitated with his knee injury and would, in order to attend to his duties, had to have been mounted for much of the battle sequence.
Higginson in reporting the sequence of events at the Drift stated unequivacally that Cogjills horse was killed in a volley of rifle fire.
There were also rumours that Calverley blacked his face and pretended to be a zulu at isandlwana. Takes more than a touch of coal black to transform into a zulu.

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PostSubject: Re: Traitor or renegade ?   Traitor or renegade ? EmptyMon Aug 05, 2013 10:11 am

He Fought and died at Hlobane.

After having fought at Isandhlwana can be! Still running his jacket after having made ​​up the straps ( John Calverley by Wood and Dunn by LC ...)

Coghills spare horse or not, John Calverley possed a horse of Coghill and a MH of the 24 th ,for negotiqate for the betrayal of Hamu with Wood ...

Were there also rumors that Calverley blacked His face and pretended to be a Zulu at isandlwana.This has sometimes been done by Boer accompanying royalists Zulu of Dinuzulu in 1888 ... It is simply not to be recognized!

Should dig this, I think it was extraordinary for the history of Isandhlwana! That is what makes me fantasize ...A british at Isandhlwana with the zulu versus the British army !!!

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PostSubject: Re: Traitor or renegade ?   Traitor or renegade ? EmptyThu Aug 08, 2013 9:15 am

So to you after, Calverley was Isandhlwana, yes or no? If so, what were his motives to fight his own countrymen?
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