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[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] The somewhat disorderly Orderly Room of the 90th L.I. circa 1873 John Young Collection.
The shorter officer standing at the centre of the table is Captain (later Lt.-Colonel) William Rennie, V.C., who was awarded the Victoria Cross for his actions on 21st & 25th September 1857 at Lucknow, during Sepoy Mutiny.
Thus far I have identified two officers who served in Zululand:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Joseph Henry Laye. Lieutenant & Adjutant 90th L.I. in 1873.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Apsley Cherry. Captain 90th L.I. in 1873.
I'd welcome any other suggestions as to the other officers' identities, if anyone has any?
John Y.
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John is it possible, that the gents in the photo names are listing here? I see the names you have mentioned are! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Records of the 90th Regiment, (Perthshire Light Infantry) ; with roll of officers from 1795 to 1880 (1880
Robert Hackett served in the Zulu War Kambula.
ymob
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A very beautiful present for a collector! I am really crazy about this typical Victorian's table !!!( with the armories/blazon of the 90th L.I just above the "tray"?)
I know, it's not a good joke... Most seriously, thank you for having sharing this photo with us (I am not sure of the translation:Je vous remercie d'avoir partagé cette photo avec les membres de ce forum). Kind regard.
Frédéric.
I.E1: Congretulation Mister Young, Frédéric with two "é"!!! I.E2; I can't see Walter Higginson on your photo
littlehand
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I tried to post this last night, but Photobucket was down for hours.
Here are the 90th Light Infantry, the following year, 1874, photographed at Dover in front of the White Cliffs:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] 90th Light Infantry, Dover, 1874. John Young Collection.
1, J. H. Laye.* 2, H. de C. Rawlins.* 3, R. M. Rogers, V.C.* 4, G. Sandham.* 5, H. Palmer. 6, N. Norris, A.M.D. 7, H. E. Wood, V.C.* 8, R. H. Hackett.* 9, A. M. Maude.* 10, J. Newman.* 11, W. S. Hamilton.*
* = Served in the Anglo-Zulu War.
Somewhere, I got a key to the remaining officers is this group.
John Y.
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littlehand
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I'm thinking "Apsley Cherry" is standing to the left of " A. M. Maude" ?
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Subject: Re: 90th (Perthshire) Light Infantry 1873 Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:01 am
Littlehand,
No Cherry isn't in the Dover photograph, that is why I wanted the other photograph. Cherry had the Mutiny Medal, the figure you have pointed out doesn't have a medal.
Regards,
John Y.
littlehand
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Surely the wrong shaped ball! did not not know you were one of those JY..
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Subject: Re: 90th (Perthshire) Light Infantry 1873 Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:47 am
Les,
You know the game we can beat the Aussies at!
[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] 90th Light Infantry at Dover, 1874. John Young Collection.
Please note the correction as to the identity of Capt. Hamilton.
Ranks as in Hart’s Army List for 1874: 1, Lt. J. H. Laye.* 2, Sub-Lt. H. de C. Rawlins.* 3, Lt. S. J. Stevens. 4, Maj. R. M. Rogers, V.C.* 5, Lt. G. Sandham.* 6, Lt.-Col. H. W. Palmer. 7, Surg.-Maj. N. Norris. 8, Brevet Lt.-Col. H. E. Wood, V.C., C.B.* 9, Lt. J. W. Banbury. 10, Lt. A. W. Elliott. 11, Capt. G. E. Perryn. 12, Lt. R. Lawrence.* 13, Capt. J. Campbell. 14, Capt. D. Maclachlan. 15, Capt. W. S. Hamilton.* 16, Capt. R. H. Hackett.* 17, Capt. W. F. Wilson.* 18, Lt. A. C. E. Welby. 19, Sub-Lt. A. M. Maude.* 20, Ferguson (?) 21, QM J. Newman.* 22, Lt. F. M. Balfour.
* = served in the Anglo-Zulu War of 1879.
Now I've just got to discover who Ferguson is and why his face appears to have been deliberately smudged!
John Y.
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Subject: 90th ( Perthshire ) Light Infantry 1873 Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:50 am
Hi John . Lol. I know you aren't talking cricket ! LOL . Cheers 90th
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Subject: Re: 90th (Perthshire) Light Infantry 1873 Sat Feb 01, 2014 12:49 pm
90th,
22nd November 2003 Telstra Stadium surely even you as non-rugby man remember that one?
Or the British & Irish Lions on 6th July 2013 at ANZ Stadium?
Enough, now back on topic.
There are three, maybe four, officers in the Orderly Room photograph unidentified.
The officer behind Laye has at least one, possibly two medals up. I would venture that might be Capt. Randall Ironside Ward, who served in the Royal Navy in the Crimean War. British Medal and the Turkish Medal.
The officer standing behind Cherry's right shoulder may be Lt. Welby, which would make him and Laye, the only ones to appear in both photographs.
That leaves four other officers unaccounted for: Lieutenants F. R. Harvey & E. Lethbridge; Sub-Lt's. W. Hutchinson & W. Hawley. Anyone got any of their photographs to compare?
John Y.
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Subject: Re: 90th (Perthshire) Light Infantry 1873 Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:16 pm
fair enough JY, i support my country at the end of the day, no matter what shape..
90th
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Subject: 90th ( Perthshire ) Light Infantry 1873 Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:56 am
Hi JY This will test me !!!!!! , Telstra Stadium Nov 22 2003 , was that the Field Goal in the last 30 secs by Wilson or a similar name , was he Captain ? . If so I watched that game , was it also the W.Cup ?? . That's about my ability I'm afraid with Rugby . I do watch Melb Storm in the NRL on TV occasion . Sorry for the off topic . Cheers 90th .
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Subject: Re: 90th (Perthshire) Light Infantry 1873 Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:39 pm
Hi John
Could you please repost the photograph?
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Subject: Re: 90th (Perthshire) Light Infantry 1873 Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:50 pm
Andy,
I’ll dig it out later and repost it.
JY
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Subject: Re: 90th (Perthshire) Light Infantry 1873 Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:54 pm
Thanks John
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Subject: Re: 90th (Perthshire) Light Infantry 1873 Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:16 pm
Andy,
All updated.
JY
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Subject: Re: 90th (Perthshire) Light Infantry 1873 Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:24 pm
Hi John
Many thanks for reposting the photograph.
I am still at a loss, which one is Capt. Randall Ironside Ward?
Andy
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Subject: Re: 90th (Perthshire) Light Infantry 1873 Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:36 pm
Andy,
Look at the close-up of Laye and the Bugler, there’s an officer behind Laye with at least one medal ribbon up. I surmise that might be Ward.
JY
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Subject: Re: 90th (Perthshire) Light Infantry 1873 Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:34 pm
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. I do watch Melb Storm in the NRL on TV occasion . Sorry for the off topic . 
